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So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

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  1. jmervyn

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    So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    For those who are going to get all hatey with me about the choice of web site and the comments therein, you need to understand that I counted myself supremely blessed to only have to pay over $40K a year for my Uni education - and that was nearly three decades ago.
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    Are they trying to be like Canada or something? [that was a joke]

    Protesting never helps anything, and probably never will. The REAL way to protest, imo, is to somehow get no one to apply to said universities. That way, everyone loses and not just the little people. People should mass together and travel elsewhere for their studies. But what's going to happen instead is they will make a big pouting noise over the increase, then apply for university anyway, taking it up the *** by their own willingness. It's like complaining about McDonald's being a bunch rich corporate bastards while you happily eat their stuff.
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    England university fees are being raised year after next.... My sister is lucky, one of her years should be cheaper, but then we will have problems funding it. It's extremely unfair, having been educated in the U.K the social class system is just quite simply ridiculous.
    I won't go, too expensive. My family can't afford both.

    The problem is many of the students are from abroad, I find (if I remember) that if you have money in england, they go to a good university. For the majority it's sixth form college and maybe a stint at some low grade uni, even if they're bright.
    Most of those at top universitys are from abroad, so stillman it's difficult as not that many British teens have the means/money to actually go. The state education is also generally poor, so chance of getting into a good uni / being tolerated is low.

    Just my thoughts, might be a bit off track >.>
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    I wonder what the percentage breakdown between political activists and actual students was.
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    Hate to break it to ya, but, whoever is doling out those "blessings" is an ***hole.


     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    I got mine back when it was a lot more study and less money here in the Cal State system..

    If they got your pic rioting you should be expelled

    Just like cheaters

    If you just protesting your fine. or should be.
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    Australia has a similarly low cost uni education system. (It varies depending on courses, but maybe ~$3000 a semester or $6000 a year). You can pay for it up front for a 20% discount, or get a loan from the government (HECS) which are interest free but adjusted to inflation.

    It's probably worth noting that the culture here is people mostly put themselves through uni rather than their parents saving college funds like in the US - the parents are already paying for it through taxes. It's also rarer for people to live on campus or move cities to study (though I guess people that don't live near a state capital would have to).

    Having worked for 2 years myself and saved up some money before starting university, I think students can be whiny *****es about the cost of education and all that. Still, the point is for it to be affordable for those without any financial support, if socialised education isn't doing that then what's the point?
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    I'd like to make a bet that the majority of people smashing windows weren't students at all.



     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    I agree with Bathmat. When you want to, you can.

    Typical uni in France is 400 € a year. Sounds low, doesn't it? There are only two fields in which these uni's are any good, and those are law and medecine. The rest is absolute crap. If you want good higher education, go to a business school (10k€ + / year), one of the political science institutes (7k€/year), or an engineering school (the best ones are military-orientated, and thus the students end up owing years of work to the state). Or go abroad.

    10k € a year might not seem like much to Americans, but the discrepancy is huge and it's felt like a huge injustice here. To be quite honest, most people going through non-law/med uni here are just wasting their time.

    If you want to study, nothing is stopping you except work. Working at the same time as studies is perfectly feasable (I'm doing it), or before studies, or after studies with a loan. Stop relying on parents and/or state.
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    Move to Denmark, it's free. I got 4 great English classmates and I would love some more foreign people.

    Most of those people "protesting" were ONLY rioting. So many kids jumping up and down going "WOOOHOOOO! We took a building! This is so illegal and fun! What are we here for again? Oh, uni prices, atleast now I have an excuse for not attending uni!"
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    I think that's the root of the issue. I notice that many here have asserted that the rioters weren't students; I find this unlikely since "student" is pretty effin' nebulous in the first place. In the U.S., one three-hour credit course, audited, qualifies you as "student" rather than "bum".

    Greg Gutfeld has some observations:
    During Red Eye, Gutfeld focused in on one very laughable nature of these riots; the students painted the circle-A "Anarchy" symbol, in protest of a decrease in their nanny-statist goodies.

    Exactly what do they believe "anarchy" means? :scratchchin:

    One of the guests pointed to an American survey regarding the number of waitresses and food service workers with college degrees...



     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    These 'students' are not obviously LSE hopefuls, as the pure economics of the current system just does not add up.

    A uni, has overheads - deal with it. The real world is tough, life is hard, as many (myself included) right now are having to fight to survive with no income due to the economy, and you are whining because you believe you have an inherent right to a cheap (or free) edumacation???

    Get real.

    Or, look at it another way and tell me if your argument for the free & easy works.

    Study law and get a tutor who scraped by his access course at night school and failed the LLb twice before getting a degree and seeing that his degree is laughed at by mainstream law firms he/she gets a job teaching....

    In essence, those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.

    Or, you get a lecturer who like mine, was a barrister and the all of the team he had surround him in the background all had 2:1 and honours etc after their names from the likes of LSE, Cambridge & Sheffield to name a few.

    Who would you rather teach you? Bare in mind a) you get what you pay for, and, b) when you eventually stop goofing off and actually get your hard earned degree, you are going to want to earn what your qualification deserves right?
     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    All the reports on this side sound like there were two elements to this - a relatively peaceful NUS protest (at least from my time at Uni, they seemed like a pretty mild bunch), and a more radical element who worked their way in.

    As for the various griping about relative tuition costs: We pay more taxes, we get more back. American higher eduction tends to be parent-funded, British higher education tends to have a greater state element.
     
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    Once upon a time this may have been true, but, at least in the science stream, those that teach also carry out research, publish papers, etc.. Also, I am qualified to a research standard laboratory technician, I can work PT in a research lab for about $25 per hour or I can teach for $56 per hour, you do the maths.



     
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    Re: So, did y'all turn out? (U.K. student riots)

    This. Student "protesters" are encouraged to do so mostly by failed professionnals who didn't have a choice but to go into teaching. As I get higher up the chain here, I notice that more and more my teachers are true academics, who know more or less what's going on but don't have the practical side at all.

    The rest of the teachers are people who tried to become professionnal with two bit degrees that are worth nothing because the uni they got it from goes on strike every year for a couple of months.

    The two big law uni's of my town are literally accross the road from one another ; one of them is right-leaning, is never closed, and has one of the best degrees in France. The other is left-leaning, is closed for at least a month every year by students, and gives out degrees that are equivalent to those that you find in cereal boxes.
     
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    English uni's don't give out so many scholarships, especially compared to the U.S. The state funds most of the schools, with a few private schools that not many can afford to go to. (At least not where I lived).

    I heard it was only a minority group as there always seems to be at these meetings causing chaos. The rest were peaceful.
     
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    That's unfair! I had to eat 20 boxes of corn flakes until I got the combos of coupons which granted me a doctor title and the peace Nobel prize.



     
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    what about those who want to teach? does this apply to them? o_O

    and i had to rely on the government to pay for my schooling, i still do to an extent. there was no way my family could afford it, so any help i can get is great. then again, i don't piddle around and fail all my courses like a lot of other kids did/do. >.>

    and speaking of not real degrees, what was up with those online colleges or University of Phoenix/De Vry schools? i can't remember exactly.


     
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    Pretty much like Obama! ^^


     
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    Hehe, it seems I caught the fish I expected :D

    To be fair, Obama didn't eat the political equivalent of 20 boxes of corn flakes to get it (although he would have done it for such an offer). He's intelligent enough to understand that getting the price without having done anything at that point will be more of a burden. Maybe the Norwegian jury consisted of Tea Partieres and awarded it to him as a part of a scheme :whistling:
     

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