SMITERS (PVP and UBER VIABLE?)

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Camintoi

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SMITERS (PVP and UBER VIABLE?)

Howdy, need to build a smiter quick b/c im a dclone hunter and my nerco tends to lag out of games alot since they can be 6-7 hour games. Im just wondering, it woudl be great if i could build a pure pvp stat/skill build yet stack uber gear on it so i could switch and maybe do some pvping and ubering.

I read some guides elsewhere b/c this place doens't have alot of smiter guides. From waht i got its basically

20 smite
20 fanat
20 holy shield
either 20 charge or 20 defiance (I would prefer charge for pvping)
and the rest is up to you.

So basically the stats are:
str - base as possible
dex - 136 with gear to get max block with hoz
vit - everything else

And gear for ubering is
Helm - guillemes
ammy - highlords or maras (Which is better)
armor - fort or coh (i prefer fort)
weapon - grief pb
shield - upped hoz with ber
belt- dungos
boots - gores
gloves - dracs

and gear for pvping
helm - berd shako
ammy - maras
armor - enigma
weapon - grief
shield - I have no clue. there are three that im looking at either phoenix, exile or hoz
belt dungos
boots - gores or waterwalks (Which one)
gloves - dracs

And here are a few questions. Using the stat/skill build is it best suited for pvping and can it uber as well? And is the gear up to par? And lastly which shield for pving? Hoz, phoenix or exile? Some are like phoenix b/c the dmg and some are like HOZ so i have no clue.

Also i have no clue about charms. I dont know whether i should get 37 lifers or 9 pcombs and lifers.
 
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saellison

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For ubers I would take coh and the maras. You need to stack res for mephy and coh makes that easier.

For pvp I would use the hoz as your defualt with a exile in stash. HoZ versus everything except stuff where you need a crap ton of defense such as barbs. I prefer some nice tri-resist rares with fhr and frw for boots, but I would take waterwalks over gores...Unless you are trying to stack some open wounds. Same thing with Dracs...unless you need open wounds I would use some bloodfists as your default or some nice rares.
The standard...

20 fanat
20 smite
20 hs
20 defiance

build is effective in both pvp and ubers. I have not tried the 20 charge route with a smiter but I do have a libby with 20 charge and it's alright but alot of people have sufficent blocking or defense that it isn't amazing as it sounds. Of course if they don't have any blocking it can do some damage. For my smiter I would probably stick with 20 defiance because its much easier to take down barbs with 40k defense. Once you decide whether you want defiance or charge and max it put a point in holy freeze, vigor (If you want to desynch easier, up to you), salvation, and pump the rest into either charge(if you decided not to max it) or Resist Lightning. I am not to good with charm setups but i think the general consensus is 2.5k and above and your good to go. Once you reach that lifers with resists or ar or whatever you need.
 
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Camintoi

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saellison said:
For ubers I would take coh and the maras. You need to stack res for mephy and coh makes that easier.

For pvp I would use the hoz as your defualt with a exile in stash. HoZ versus everything except stuff where you need a crap ton of defense such as barbs. I prefer some nice tri-resist rares with fhr and frw for boots, but I would take waterwalks over gores...Unless you are trying to stack some open wounds. Same thing with Dracs...unless you need open wounds I would use some bloodfists as your default or some nice rares.
The standard...

20 fanat
20 smite
20 hs
20 defiance

build is effective in both pvp and ubers. I have not tried the 20 charge route with a smiter but I do have a libby with 20 charge and it's alright but alot of people have sufficent blocking or defense that it isn't amazing as it sounds. Of course if they don't have any blocking it can do some damage. For my smiter I would probably stick with 20 defiance because its much easier to take down barbs with 40k defense. Once you decide whether you want defiance or charge and max it put a point in holy freeze, vigor (If you want to desynch easier, up to you), salvation, and pump the rest into either charge(if you decided not to max it) or Resist Lightning. I am not to good with charm setups but i think the general consensus is 2.5k and above and your good to go. Once you reach that lifers with resists or ar or whatever you need.
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2.5 k smite? or 2.5 k life?



 
mainaman

mainaman

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Uncle_Mike said:
I would say that 2.5 k life is hmm, far from enough for a smiter, around 4k life would be the minimum in most cases, good ones have ~5k life.
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for dclone 2.5k life is good, mine has 2k with bo and has no problems with ubers/dclone



 
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CaptnSparrow

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For an Uber smiter, just take the PvP and put on Guillames and Exile. Crushing Blow and Life Tap > Monsters.


For PvP, I don't condone Exile unless it's for BM. Life Tap can make up for a series of mistakes and being thoroughly outplayed in just 1-2 shots. Use a Spirit Sacred Targe or a HoZ.
 
erians

erians

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Camintoi said:
And here are a few questions. Using the stat/skill build is it best suited for pvping and can it uber as well? And is the gear up to par? And lastly which shield for pving? Hoz, phoenix or exile? Some are like phoenix b/c the dmg and some are like HOZ so i have no clue.

Also i have no clue about charms. I dont know whether i should get 37 lifers or 9 pcombs and lifers.
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Soloing the ubers is easy, very very easy if you know what ur doing. Any Paladin with 1 pt into smite, 1 into salvation and 1 into Fanatiscism can do ubers with worse gear than you have. I've done Ubers on my hammerdin several times, just switched on grief, dracs and a Life Tap wand and i was good to go. A Pure PvP smiter will easily take down Ubers no matter where you put your rest-skills. If you dont manage to kill the ubers then its either something wrong with ur tactic or with ur gear.

Both your PvP gear and Uber gear seem about right. I would use goblin toe instead of gores for ubering scince smite doesnt get anything from DS, and open wounds is not whats gonna kill the ubers, but with Guillimes face u dont need more CB so u can use Waterwalks here aswell. If you have exile use it for ubering, if u dont then thats fine too, but it will help u procc off LT a lot more than using just dracs. Try using a Life Tap wand to ensure LT is up from the start of the fight. For pvp I'd use WWs, they give a lot of life and a load of dex, saving you some points to put into vita instead.

HoZ vs Phoenix vs Exile: Hoz all the way. Phoenix triggers (40% chance) a Firestorm with a high fps cast so every 2-3 smite takes 24 fps or something instead of 6 fps. Phoenix for smite = stunlocking urself, anyone who says Phoenix is good for a smiter is someone who havnt tried it. I have, and its horrible. Exile triggers Life Tap which is very very very BM, and its only really effective vs melee chars and smiters usually beats most melee chars in pvp unless there is a skill/gear difference. HoZ have great block, loads of defence, a free socket to help getting close to 50% DR without CoA, damage and skills. Spirit is extremly underrated. FCR to get better tele smiting, awsome resistance, huuge FHR and skills. The reason HoZ owns Spirit for Shako Smiters is the free socket slot. Dungo 15 + HoZ 8 + Shako 18 + Eni 8 = 49% damage reduces. With a low CoA (10-11% DR BerBer) you could replace HoZ with a spirit for better FHR & tele.

Dont recommend Dracs for pvp, they are pretty crappy unless ur facing a ES sorc and want to bleed her dead. Use rare gloves with stats and resist (a little cold/light stack will help u a lot vs certain classes) and IAS if needed. Blood gloves are awsome with bo'able life and Crushing blow (for ubers if u have exile instead of Dracs). Keep a Bloodfist in stash vs trappers to handle stunlock better (might wanna keep a Spirit in ur stash for the same reason). For Grief go Pb and not BA. Ive used BA a lot and the range helps vs some classes, but to get 6 fps smite with a perfect ias GriefZ u need 15% ias. Now thats gonna take either a pair of 20 ias gloves, and only rare/crafted ones are good, or stick a 15 Ias j00l with 15 resist into ur shako or hoz and sacrifice 8% of very needed DR, or take a Highlords and sacrifice resistance, stats and skills (but gain some DS to boost charge). With Pb ur gonna hit 6 fps smite easily, still u might wanna keep a HL/Ias glove + GriefZ in ur stash incase you're having range trouble.

Life scs >>>>>>>>>> PCs imo. 5k life is gonna kill any 4k or less life smiter with slightly better damage. 9 Pcs boosts damage thru smite a bit but after PvP penalty its not gonna make a huge difference. If you can get 9 Pcs with life thats another story, but if we are talking about plain Pcs vs 19+ life scs I'd use lifers anyday. Sorry for the wall of text, im bored :rolleyes: .


 
bradtford

bradtford

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im not much on the pvp side but for ubering im ur man. as for dclone he can be taken down with jsut about anything, especially if ur using last wish.

for ubers resist+crushing blow+lifetap= torch seperat the three and its truly easy. use salvation till lifetap triggers on mephisto.

the only problem i see is that to dclone/uber u wont want to carry a torch, and for pvp u will.pretty much any pvp smiter can take ubers fine with a last wish pb. bolded are my reccomendation.

Camintoi said:
20 smite
20 fanat
20 holy shield
either 20 charge or 20 defiance (I would prefer charge for pvping)
and the rest is up to you.

So basically the stats are:
str - base as possible
dex - 136 with gear to get max block with hoz
vit - everything else

And gear for ubering is
Helm - guillemes (check)
ammy - highlords or maras (Which is better) (either is fine but metalgrid is my choice)
armor - fort or coh (i prefer fort) (for ubers coh, u make up the ed on ubers with laying of hands.)
weapon - grief pb (last wish Pb)
shield - upped hoz with ber (exile with resists it doesnt even have to be eth)
belt- dungos (up to u but i have been using ik belt the dr is unnecessry in pvm)
boots - gores (good, but really any will do, if ur using last wish)
gloves - dracs (if u can afford the last wish/exile go with laying of hands)
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Rawness

Rawness

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weapon - grief pb (last wish Pb)
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Grief PB > Last wish PB in Ubers and all over pvm for a smiter, if you have exile/draculs or a wand with lifetap, this idiotic thing shouldn't be in the hands of a smiter. IF you need fade, prebuff with armor.

The high CB isn't worth it anyways, because he should already have enough CB, your overall speed will be faster with grief, and that's why you use it.
If you prefer saftey, go coward behind your lastwish

For a belt i'd go Thundergods. Dungos should go pretty fine in PvP if you don't already have 50%dr, Dungos gives you 40vita = 120 health points and max 15 DR + some life reg.

Thundergods gives absorb, vita and str + some max res, which can be way more useful in some pvp situations.
 
bradtford

bradtford

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Rawness said:
Grief PB > Last wish PB in Ubers and all over pvm for a smiter, if you have exile/draculs or a wand with lifetap, this idiotic thing shouldn't be in the hands of a smiter. IF you need fade, prebuff with armor.

The high CB isn't worth it anyways, because he should already have enough CB, your overall speed will be faster with grief, and that's why you use it.
If you prefer saftey, go coward behind your lastwish
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the 20 ias from laying of hands, or any 15 ias/mod jewel in ur guillames puts the last wish to the last smite breakpoint(so grief not faster). as for calling it idiotic thats jsut wrong, for a pvp smiter it is not the proper choice, however for ubers it it the perfect weapon. the fade is jsut an added bonus no need to prebuff it. give me last wish and ravenfrost, and any other items(white, unsocketed armors shileds helms, boots, gloves, belt any ring, any amulet or none cept a shield to smite with.) and ill solo ubers.(hmm have not tried it but i am tonight, sounds fun) try that with a grief.

as for "go coward behind your lastwish" i assume u meant go cower, but i dont cower. i have it to uber hunt, and i use it.



 
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