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GosuKe

Diabloii.Net Member
MH users should be banned?

I don't get why people hate people who MH. Yes it is cheating and I for one think it is wrong to hack but people shouldn't be reported about it. You guys keep saying "They should be banned" Okay then ban them oh yes by the way you must pay 20$ a month to play this game. If you want a game without hacking or cheating play Final Fantasy XI or City of Heros. Thoes games are hack free but not free to play. I like Diablo II for its play style and yes after 4 years of playing it I dont know why they havent shut down its free service for the players.... They are losing money to come out with patches and hack-detection for people since they dont get a dime from us either way so why should they do anything? If you want to report hackers and get them banned go ahead but be sure to send blizzard some money for their time. Out of all the hacks you people are complaining about the most harmless one this maybe be severe cheating in pvp but most people turn it off and the people who don't are not worth dueling. Everyone thinks its un-fair that you got to look for the tomb and you cant find wirt's leg fast well tough your playing for FREE live with it. And not to mention every single person who is complaining about it has never been helped by a person with MH? I for one have, its nice when your looking for a wp and sombody is nice enough to give it to you or help you find it in the stoney field insted of looking for it. Also you people complain about it and say "Play the game like it was ment to be played" then you run and get kalims parts in A3 hell and smash the compelling orb. Not a single person here has played through act 3 EVERY single time and not skipped it. Thats cheating too just a different form of it but still cheating. Blizzard can't do anything about hacks unless they patch every week and somebody will make another and why should Blizzard waste money on something like that look how long it took them to patch 1.09 to 1.10 yes it was a vast improvement and i like how there are no hacks or dupes THOES are the hacks we should report not MH users.

I for one do use the map hack but I do not bot and i do not dupe that ruins the game. Map Hacking is like putting a lazyboy infront of the computer insted of using the computer chair it doesn't hurt or ruin anything unless some one B****es about it.

You can report them they wont get banned not for a while at least. Also the new hacks unload themselves when they are about to be scanned so they wont know for sure.

And reporting people about MH isn't good enough they must find it on your computer. Take this for example you say to someone nice shako or something else you can see on them and you did not use maphack they report you AND YOU GET BANNED. Is that fair? No it's stupid and for that reason alone pointing a finger or even getting a screenshot of someone who is saying they hack is STILL not good enough. For all they know you could get your friend to make a similar account name and stage the whole thing. I know there are people out there that do this just for a laugh to screw up other peoples life, time, and effort just because they can.

In summary Hacking is bad but until you pay $12.95 a month for a secure gaming experience then hacking will always persist.

That is my view on MH yes dupers and botters should be banned but Maphackers a Warning is like revoking some ones drivers liscense for double parking it doesn't make sense.
 

MoUsE_WiZ

Diabloii.Net Member
GosuKe said:
They are losing money to come out with patches and hack-detection for people since they dont get a dime from us either way so why should they do anything?
I forgot how they never sell ad space on b.net because advertisers aren't aware there's hundreds of thousands of people spending multiple hours a day on it...

Oh, and how knowing about free b.net didn't motivate anyone to buy any of blizzard's games...



But that's beside the point.
And reporting people about MH isn't good enough they must find it on your computer. Take this for example you say to someone nice shako or something else you can see on them and you did not use maphack they report you AND YOU GET BANNED. Is that fair? No it's stupid and for that reason alone pointing a finger or even getting a screenshot of someone who is saying they hack is STILL not good enough.
Exactly. Reporting people alone won't get them banned, so why not report them, if they're not using MH they aren't going to end up banned...

That is my view on MH yes dupers and botters should be banned but Maphackers a Warning is like revoking some ones drivers liscense for double parking it doesn't make sense.
Botting and MHing share some very key effects with each other.
Both allow cheaters to earn items faster than legit players.
Both allow cheaters to earn exp faster than legit players.
Both contribute to the game line, botting by people who wouldn't normally be playing creating games, MH by people being able to MF/baal run/anything else faster so they can do more games in the same times.

Now how should a botter be banned, but an MHer, who is causing all the same negative side effects to legit players, not be banned?
 

cyradis2003

Diabloii.Net Member
GosuKe said:
I don't get why people hate people who MH. Yes it is cheating and I for one.......
Wow ... paragraphs please, that hurt to read.

I don't really care if people use MH - it just annoys me that they feel the need to justify themselves and tell everyone that they aren't REALLY cheating ... it's just MH and they don't have the time to play. Ok .... and it's not REALLY drugs ... it's just pot and that is natural. It's not REALLY lieing .... I just didn't want to tell them, it might make them mad. It's not REALLY a crime ... I only stole from a company, not a person.

Do as you will because in truth MH is not a drug or a lie or a crime or anything as serious and damaging to others. Just please please please stop coming here - to this forum full of idealists wanting fair play - and standing up on your corrupted little soap box and tell us that MH is not bad because you don't have time to play or you don't have a good computer or your baby bunny died.

You play your reality we will play ours.
 

laughingtiger

Diabloii.Net Member
GosuKe said:
I don't get why people hate people who MH. Yes it is cheating .....
Here's the number one reason why I wouldn't have any compunctions about reporting ANY kind of hack being used in the game:


They can stop the game from working correctly, or make it very hard to connect to Battle.net.

Here's the full write up from Blizzard's site:

http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=asi0460p

I like to enjoy the game as it was originally meant to be played. I understand where you're coming from but it still doesn't take away from the fact that these third-party programs cause unnecessary loads on the servers and network bandwidth. Also, ask any of the many legit hardcore duelers on this forum why they won't bother duelling public games anymore. They'll point to one thing: Map Hack.

I also understand why it seems harsh. But what else can one do? Silence is never a solution to a problem especially when there are facilities that enable people to do something about the problem.

Regards. :drink:
 

Nerf-Herder

Diabloii.Net Member
again people -- you wanna hack - play open bnet

as for realms...
play clean or dont play at all

pWnZoReD tEh HaXoR NuBs -- kk thnx...
 

laoma

Diabloii.Net Member
cyradis2003 said:
Wow ... paragraphs please, that hurt to read.

I don't really care if people use MH - it just annoys me that they feel the need to justify themselves and tell everyone that they aren't REALLY cheating ... it's just MH and they don't have the time to play. Ok .... and it's not REALLY drugs ... it's just pot and that is natural. It's not REALLY lieing .... I just didn't want to tell them, it might make them mad. It's not REALLY a crime ... I only stole from a company, not a person.

Do as you will because in truth MH is not a drug or a lie or a crime or anything as serious and damaging to others. Just please please please stop coming here - to this forum full of idealists wanting fair play - and standing up on your corrupted little soap box and tell us that MH is not bad because you don't have time to play or you don't have a good computer or your baby bunny died.

You play your reality we will play ours.
cyradis2003
:winner: most funny post in this thread :thumbsup:

I have 1 question, if MH show SO MANY things on the minimap, how the hell do you see anything? :scratch: The default minimap is busy enough for me that I turn it off whenever I can!
 

Mecal

Diabloii.Net Member
laoma said:
cyradis2003
:winner: most funny post in this thread :thumbsup:

I have 1 question, if MH show SO MANY things on the minimap, how the hell do you see anything? :scratch: The default minimap is busy enough for me that I turn it off whenever I can!
actually, because you can see the monsters, it makes it easier.

i mean, when i play with skellymancers, i cant see the enemy cuz of all the skellys, and the green on the map. but if i used MH, i could see little purple things (that are the same shape as you and ur allys). so it would make it easier.
 

PyroStock

Diabloii.Net Member
nebby said:
Uhh, errr, I 've never been to the SPF, but wouldn't cheating in single player be like cheating at solitaire? I can understand (not condone) why someone might cheat at multiplayer (win duels, ebay items, etc etc etc). But singleplayer? Can this really be an issue over there?
You don't even need to visit the SPF to know you can still trade in single player. And some in the SPF play multiplayer offline.

*shakes head, sighs in despair.
I weep for the future.
I'll play a tiny violin for you.

I don't go to the SPF. Half of them use ATMA. The other half doesn't. They argue about it all the freakin time.
:lol: No they don't. Why don't you pull up all these alleged ATMA arguments & do a comparison. Compared to the bot, TPPK, Blizzard/Battlenet care, hacker arguments that occur here & other forums it's nothing. You're confusing questions for arguments.

If you have 2 computers you don't need ATMA at all, but those with 1 computer often use it to mule items.

but in SP you are all alone!!
As mentioned, you can play MP offline and trade in SP.

For those that do play SP some find...
no lag
no 'Realm Down'
no Botters
no TPPKers
no Item Snatchers
no scum hacking into your account
no losing items from muling
... well worth it.
SPers can also play new versions of Diablo2. Like no FE bug in HC. Or altered mods made by players with new items or new monsters (D1 Skeleton King, Dragons, Baldur'sGate monsters, etc.).
 

STINGER

Diabloii.Net Member
I dont know guys, I never really had a whole lot of trouble with people using MH but i didnt like them calling themselves legit, or godly or a good player either. It is simply a cruch for weak players and if they deny it they only lie to themselves.

Turn it off, lets see where you really stand! I bet you find it fairly quick you are a weak player and not as good as you think you are. Oh ya, dont taint the test and load up a character with everything it needs. How about take one week or so, start a new guy and see how far you get then compare what it takes while you use MH and you will find a difference.

MH users are not good players, they are simply weak.......simply weak......live with it as it is fact.


Now with all that said, MH isnt the battle! At this point in time I could care less if 99% of BNet used MH but the battle first is TPPK and Botting. Sorry, MH does bother me a bit, but not near as much as how much botting and TPPK are virtually destroying this game.
 

viamede

Diabloii.Net Member
Hmmm well I only started this thread because of my own dumb naivety about MH and how ironic it was when I only realized after why my actions were so different in game. This has spawned a MH debate, an ATMA debate a muling debate and others (cant see anything wrong with the last 2 BTW). MH is not as bad but is problematic in it's prevelance. Sadly most of the people I have to play with ATM currently use it. So it's either endure it or play alone. I have suggested to them that it makes things way too easy but sadly they do not see it that way ("I need it to see the monster mods FE LI etc" one said last night). It does spoil the ladder as they are just not playing on a level surface, as you point out. Generally it does not spoil the game for you...but it might.

I agree its not the menace that TPPK is (but it is easier to avoid if you have friends to game with) nor the realm lagger that botting is...but it does tick me off that it is so prevalent.


Now I will click my shoes :)P) three times as I say "there's no place like a hack free realm...there's no place like a hack free realm..."
 

Nerf-Herder

Diabloii.Net Member
STINGER said:
Now with all that said, MH isnt the battle! At this point in time I could care less if 99% of BNet used MH but the battle first is TPPK and Botting. Sorry, MH does bother me a bit, but not near as much as how much botting and TPPK are virtually destroying this game.
i disagree stinger -- maphack is the WORST hack of them all -- why?

because so many seem to think it is benign -- it gives its users a clear and huge advantage over players who do not use it.

and lets not forget about mousepad including things like chicken and pickit with the maphack package -- the widespread use of chicken has ruined public hardcore

with soo many people using maphack, it is nearly impossible to enjoy a public questing game nowadays -- just try to run the quests in order in a public party sometime and youll see what i mean
 

_OrpheusPrime_

Diabloii.Net Member
I Completely agree 100% with The part about Chicken included in the Map Hack. This has got to be the most god-awful thing that I have ever heard. Talk about degrading the community! I can't tell you how many pub games iv been in where most of the players would have died several times over if not for their stupid chicken hack, NOT from tppk's and the stuff they claim they "need" chicken and MH for! From just average monsters and boss packs. :rant:
 
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