should i build a BvC barb or ghostsin?

hkisbatman

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should i build a BvC barb or ghostsin?

I'm trying to build a mage slayer. Don't know which one to use. On one hand,
Barb has:
More life
More damage
Must use enigma almost all the time
Can survive better against melees
Leap (dunno how useful this is yet)

Assassin has:
Venom-hella poison
Dragonflight - one kick and let poison do its work for those casters u cant catch
Flexible armor (in case u need 4ort/ral/thul armor)
Traps/Mind Blast for catching people
Weapon block - block elementals too!

I know i'm probably forgetting some stuff but this is basically it. Dunno which would own more. I'm looking for a character that can own most in public games and these two look like they are the right build for it, but which one's better?
 

Duelskull2

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Theres been a lot of fights about this. They are fairly equal though. Sins have the advantage of mb/traps. For killing most overall in a pub game id say barb though. Either can do it, but with a ghost sin you have to worry about barbs.
 

Phyrexial

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This post will most likely be very helpful to you. It's intended purpose isn't what you were asking for but it will most likely answer your question. Most "best" dueler discussions break down to Ghost sin vs BvC barb in most of those posts.

http://forums.diabloii.net/showpost.php?p=3535191&postcount=4

If you would like a bit more specific of an answer, these threads are exactly what you are looking for:

http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=334710&page=2&pp=20
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=313504
http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=284450

That should be more than enough info to accurately compare the two build's respective anti-caster abilities. If you would like my opinion, I believe the Ghost is the better anti caster.
 

Speederländer

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Ghost has an edge in the anti-caster arena, esp. if it also has a talon attack back-up. Ghosts cannot kill ww barbs at all, though.
BvC barbs can kill everyone but BvB barbs (but ghosts do slightly better vs. good, pure casters).
I prefer the assassin myself. I've played both and the assassin is harder to master and more fun in the end.
Barbs are better on teams and vs. multiple opponents.
 

'22'Souljah

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bvc barbs also do a lot better with the numbers against them due to the fact that they can do heavy damage fast
the thing with a ghost sin is you must have patience to learn to use it without it you'll quit it due to the fact that you're not very good with it at first
 

morotsjos

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hkisbatman said:
I'm trying to build a mage slayer. Don't know which one to use. On one hand,
Barb has:
More life
More damage
Must use enigma almost all the time
Can survive better against melees
Leap (dunno how useful this is yet)

Assassin has:
Venom-hella poison
Dragonflight - one kick and let poison do its work for those casters u cant catch
Flexible armor (in case u need 4ort/ral/thul armor)
Traps/Mind Blast for catching people
Weapon block - block elementals too!

I know i'm probably forgetting some stuff but this is basically it. Dunno which would own more. I'm looking for a character that can own most in public games and these two look like they are the right build for it, but which one's better?
I cant say which one is best but a few points:
1) Yes, leap is VERY VERY useful.
2) Barbs tele faster ^^
3) Wwsins DO NOT have flexible armor. You NEED enigma. You CANT use any armor anyway since you build around it.
4) That "hella poison" can be resisted fairly easy (i.e. antidote prebuf/andys/etc).
5) Dont count on dragon flight doing your work for you. My old bramblesin couldn't catch any mad teleporter with it. It's also very buggy and tend to miss a lot.
6) Shadow autoaims&autocasts mindblast. Often. This is a HUGE advantage.
7) Shadow = minion stacking. Will save you countless times.

Barbs are easier to use but might be hard enough until you get the hang of tele+ww. They are also more flexible in gear. Lastly, wwsins need HUGE amounts of mana to support traps+mb+tele+ww, where a barb with 600+ mana is a machine. The mana can be more of an getting-used-to-issue though, but I cant say I like it.
 

Speederländer

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morotsjos said:
3) Wwsins DO NOT have flexible armor. You NEED enigma. You CANT use any armor anyway since you build around it.
BvC barbs don't have flexible armor either, they have to use teleport by definition for their build. Therefore they are tied to enigma as well.
 

dkay

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actually if you invest a couple points into strength (like 10-20ish~) both bvc and ghosts can switch armors for melee (i.e ghosts switch nigma for bramble and fort for bvcs) this small sacrifice of strength points is great imo since it gives you a better chance against melee.
 

Davie.

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Yes thats true that some do that. Dumbpig did. Barbs probably better for pubbing by yourself. Ghostsins mb/stunlock is better for team. I love my ghostsin so much that im making a BVC barb just too see if they are to my liking.
 

dkay

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Davie. said:
Yes thats true that some do that. Dumbpig did. Barbs probably better for pubbing by yourself. Ghostsins mb/stunlock is better for team. I love my ghostsin so much that im making a BVC barb just too see if they are to my liking.
be sure to get a level 25 leap. itll defentely be funny watching all the opponents get knocked back while necros spam the **** outta em.
 

morotsjos

Banned
Speederländer said:
BvC barbs don't have flexible armor either, they have to use teleport by definition for their build. Therefore they are tied to enigma as well.
Of course, I just replied to hkisbatman's post.

With grief bvc-barbs will have problems going base str even with enigma unless they have perfect gear (i.e. perf str beast/dracs/anni). Hence adding enough str for fort/duress will probably be too much of a sacrifice...

Davie.: Why dont you max leap? I did on my bvc-barb and it's hilarious, especially in team vs team. It's not like shout is a better option anyway...
 

Davie.

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Im gonna follow the new Blobs guide pretty much. Got everything besides 2 godly fcr rings and 1x Doom zerk
 

mcm

Banned
Davie. said:
Yes thats true that some do that. Dumbpig did. Barbs probably better for pubbing by yourself. Ghostsins mb/stunlock is better for team. I love my ghostsin so much that im making a BVC barb just too see if they are to my liking.
Wei's original barb had 90 base str, but he scrapped that for pure vit, and then scrapped that for 40/40 str/dex for better flexibility.

My original barb had pure vit, but I scrapped that for 64/57 str/dex for better flexibility.

Eric's barb has enough dex for max block.

So, it really comes down to what gear you want to use in various situations.
 

Davie.

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Yarg, thing is I dont play ladder. Didnt have enough time to start over, starting from scratch is a pain. I dont buy off ebay or sites either. Ladder just wasnt an option. You use Fort vs certain classes, I probably wont till ladder ends. I personally dont find mf'ing very fun anymore. Actually come to think of it I lost interest in that after about a 3/4 of the first year it came out.
 

dkay

Diabloii.Net Member
mcm said:
Wei's original barb had 90 base str, but he scrapped that for pure vit, and then scrapped that for 40/40 str/dex for better flexibility.

My original barb had pure vit, but I scrapped that for 64/57 str/dex for better flexibility.

Eric's barb has enough dex for max block.

So, it really comes down to what gear you want to use in various situations.
wei = blobs
eric = xe-revolution/maniac
pet = silen
mutilator = mike was it? ;)

just for clarification :)
 

fredsta54

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dkay said:
be sure to get a level 25 leap. itll defentely be funny watching all the opponents get knocked back while necros spam the **** outta em.
Why lvl 25? Would lvl 22 be ok?

Cuz for my BvC lvl 22 leap is a hell of a lot easier to achieve.
 
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