Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

jel

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

You mean like when the slaves where freed, women received the right to vote and black people where given the same rights as white people?

You can't vote on everything, the majority will vote away the rights of the minority for their own comfort.
Exactly! :) Believing that you've to vote for everything is plain wrong, sure there need to be a general agreement on the basic rights for everyone of us, so we don't have to vote on those cases, as it doesn't make any sense, it's like if you asked people to vote whether or not a minority should pay extra tax due to them not being like the rest of us.


 

Johnny

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

Exactly! :) Believing that you've to vote for everything is plain wrong, sure there need to be a general agreement on the basic rights for everyone of us, so we don't have to vote on those cases, as it doesn't make any sense, it's like if you asked people to vote whether or not a minority should pay extra tax due to them not being like the rest of us.
I have seen your arguments in other threads. You're not welcome on my side of any debate.



 

jel

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

I have seen your arguments in other threads. You're not welcome on my side of any debate.
It's not wise to care more about the person behind the viewpoint, than the viewpoint itself. It doesn't matter if you're a hero or a villain in someones eyes, it's not the person you've to consider it's the viewpoint, and the arguments behind those.

I assume if I'd written pretty much what you wrote (though differently worded) you probably wouldn't bother writing it yourself, but would your opinion have been different because I wrote it, would you've changed your mind because some person you to a certain extend dislike agrees with what you thought earlier?

Isn't that very irrational, and make you easy to manipulate?
An example could be in a debate where no side is winning is to not empower your own argument, but ruin the value of opinion of others, by simply saying <insert villain> said so as well, then people with the viewpoint you just expressed would change side immediatly, not thinking for themselves anymore.


 

Johnny

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

It's not wise to care more about the person behind the viewpoint, than the viewpoint itself.
Ya ya ya leave your opinion on the doorstep and I'l pick it up later. Just don't make yourself comfortable. We don't have room for weaksauce arguments like the ones you left in the pirate bay thread. "You couldn't convince me so you're wrong" if you said anything like that in here I would be forced to strap your body to my debate tank with wire in hopes that your physical being would be able to hold together better when things get heated than your glass arguments.



 

jel

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

Ya ya ya leave your opinion on the doorstep and I'l pick it up later. Just don't make yourself comfortable. We don't have room for weaksauce arguments like the ones you left in the pirate bay thread. "You couldn't convince me so you're wrong" if you said anything like that in here I would be forced to strap your body to my debate tank with wire in hopes that your physical being would be able to hold together better when things get heated than your glass arguments.
Maybe this should be done over pm's in stead of?

What do you mean about making myself comfortable?

I never wrote "You couldn't convince me so you're wrong", if you'd reread what I wrote I wrote that he'd failed to use his extra knowledge through his background to convince others, I never wrote anything as absurd as what you cliam I did, I actually did also write back in that thread I didn't wrote that, and made it clear that he'd failed to convince others meant that he hadn't made his school justice, not that he was wrong. However I'd argumented way earlier for why he was wrong, which he hadn't been responding to, which made me assume he was wrong of course, and just because he later on writes that he's right, but doesn't want to debate anyway, that makes me critizise his style of debating.

Again the very fact you believe I ever wrote that make me get the idea that you only read what SaroDarksbane wrote and neither my reply to him or what I wrote earlier. However if you believe I actually wrote something like that, please quote it.

Edit: To make it clear:
I know that you're / have studied the law, but that doesn't mean you're right in all circumstances about the subject, it just means that you can take advantage of your studies, which you've failed to do, as then me and others would have been convinced by your points.
"I'm don't agree, therefore you must be terrible at debate." is very poor logic.
I don't critize him for being bad at debating, but being bad at using what he knows from his studies in this debate.
That should make it pretty clear, the thing that you further reads the bad at debate to be wrong about your point makes it even worse, it's like a feather that becomes 5 chickens to be honest.


Again I believe he's wrong about his point, I've argumented why way earlier in the thread and he left after we'd a brief conversation where many others where on the same side as I was, which meant he failed to convince others. As it's something he has studied he's likewise failed to use his studies to convince others, unless it's not the subjects he has studied, however then he has no authority and that makes claims like "I know it all, but I don't want to tell" very inappropiate (eventhough it'll always be inappropiate to write it like that).


 

Johnny

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

Right here

I know that you're have studied the law, but that doesn't mean you're right as then me and others would have been convinced by your points.


 

jel

Banned
Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

Right here
I didn't write that, at least I couldn't find it in the text, I wrote something similar, but the content was very different making a whole other meaning, that what you've quoted there is highly edited!

This is what I actually wrote:
I know that you're / have studied the law, but that doesn't mean you're right in all circumstances about the subject, it just means that you can take advantage of your studies, which you've failed to do, as then me and others would have been convinced by your points.
Now let's compare with what you claim I wrote:
I know that you're have studied the law, but that doesn't mean you're right as then me and others would have been convinced by your points.
So let's us see, I write that because he has studied the law doesn't mean he's right in all circumstances,
which you make to it doesn't mean he's right at all.

Secondly I write he's failed to use his studied to convince others, otherwise he'd have convinced others,
which you make to that because he hasn't convinced others he's not right.

Of course if I'd written what you'd quoted I'd agree that it was very bad style to write, but I never wrote anything like that, I critizise his ability to use his studies, yet still claiming authority, I never make the argument that because you can't convince others you're wrong.


 

Dondrei

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

Actually being homosexual is highly different from the norm of what is defined as normal psychic health,
Your psychology textbooks are about 40 years out of date.

It should be put on the ballot and decided by popular vote in each and every state and then it should be accepted until the next election. Just like everything else.
Everything isn't up for a state vote. Rights aren't. This would be an example of one.

You really wouldn't want everything to be at the mercy of state votes. You'd lose an awful lot of rights enshrined in the Constitution if they were.

It's not that I support that, but i'd argue that it's more important to take care of everyday problems of *** people rather than fight on how you are to call their relationship in legal terms.
That's a false dichotomy.

Anyway, the everyday problems of *** people as opposed to straights consist of... what? Mostly just inheritance rights and so on, which come back to not being able to marry.



 

BobCox2

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They say bad word to *** and good word to marriage.

Maybe, maybe not, all you listed doesn't make it more likely, as there exists other possibilities than either homo or hetero, however if he had sex exclusively with men then yes.

However as there're no evidence of any of that I'd stay at maybe, maybe not.
Did he not attend a All Male Religious Boarding School (Wink Wink Nudge Nudge) as a Preteen- teen??


 
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Spinns

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

I think *** couples should have the rights of a married couple and the recognition of the state but it should not be called marriage leave it as a union. They can then refer to each other as "life partner" which in this day in age probably sounds better than husband or wife given the the divorce rate.

I also think *** people should have the right not to have *** censored.
 

jel

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

I also think *** people should have the right not to have *** censored.
There was a debate about that earlier. IIRC it's censored because at some time earlier it's very frequent the more juvenile people of the board would begin calling other gays when things didn't go as they wanted, that way in stead of been an expression of a sexual nature it was used as a term that not many would like to have, whereby it got into the "bad words" list.

I however agree with you that it shouldn't be censored.


 

Uncle_Mike

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

There was a debate about that earlier. IIRC it's censored because at some time earlier it's very frequent the more juvenile people of the board would begin calling other gays when things didn't go as they wanted, that way in stead of been an expression of a sexual nature it was used as a term that not many would like to have, whereby it got into the "bad words" list.

I however agree with you that it shouldn't be censored.
I believe it's because of the "wow, that's ***" variety of comments on almost any subject.



 

Spinns

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

I believe it's because of the "wow, that's ***" variety of comments on almost any subject.
Well that's just *** lol jk

It's fair enough I suppose. It hard enough keeping the forums clean as it is

Sorry for getting OT
 

Dondrei

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

It's not psychology it's psychiatry, there's a big difference.
Fine, fine.

I think *** couples should have the rights of a married couple and the recognition of the state but it should not be called marriage leave it as a union. They can then refer to each other as "life partner" which in this day in age probably sounds better than husband or wife given the the divorce rate.
I ****ing hate it when people talk about their "partners". This ain't a ****ing law firm.



 

Nazdakka

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

So the anti-homosexual marriage side of the debate is essentially ok with the principle, so long as the word 'marriage' is replaced by 'civil union' or something of that ilk, because in their opinion, the word 'marriage' refers to a specificly religious rite.

Logically, then, shouldn't they have the same objections to two heterosexual nonbelievers referring to themselves as 'married'?
 

Ariadne

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Re: Should homosexuals be allowed to marry people of the same gender? Yay or Nay

So the anti-homosexual marriage side of the debate is essentially ok with the principle, so long as the word 'marriage' is replaced by 'civil union' or something of that ilk, because in their opinion, the word 'marriage' refers to a specificly religious rite.

Logically, then, shouldn't they have the same objections to two heterosexual nonbelievers referring to themselves as 'married'?
that is kind of what I pointed out. A lot of non-church go-ers do get married in church. Why? Because they're straight?



 
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