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Should extremely obese people pay double/triple fare on public transport?

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  1. raffster

    raffster Diabloii.Net Member

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    Should extremely obese people pay double/triple fare on public transport?

    I usually take a nap on my commute to and from work. To make napping easier I sit by the window side or the end of the row. This morning I was getting into a light sleep state when I felt my entire body almost pushed and shoved against the wall. My face felt literally pressed against the cabin wall that it was leaning on. It was then I realized this 30+ lady who probably weighed at least 350 pounds had just sat beside me with utter disregard of how huge she was and the fact that she literally took two seats to fit her huge gluteus maximus on.

    I was weighing whether to use jiu-jitsu or Zen in dealing with the situation and I realized no amount of jiu-jitsu would make me win against this 350+ lbs woman. Against my will I let my Buddhist beliefs enable me to stand up the rest of the way. Before I could even give the lady a look of great annoyance she was fast asleep. She literally took the two sitting spots as one thigh was huge enough to fill one.

    I thought the rest of the way that people this huge who are this huge not because of an innate medical problem that makes them fat but because of living a sedentary lifestyle should pay double fare. I do not even know how, from an operations standpoint, that this could be made possible, but I really think that it's unfair for normal size people to see people this big paying the same amount of fare when they consume the space good for two people. It's almost like buying a small can of soda and an extra large for the same price. It doesn't make sense.

    I hope that if it could be managed reasonably well from an operations standpoint that the fares be double for extremely obese people. And of course, if they take up triple the space, then they pay, triple the fare.
     
  2. Jimi-

    Jimi- Diabloii.Net Member

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    no, cause they are still one human, that once happened to me but i was flying from amsterdam to baltimore wich took about 8 hours
     
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    It depends. If you're buying a ticket, are you paying for your transportation as a person or for the seat you're sitting in?
    Frankly, I think that either way, a bigger person is going to weigh a bus/plane down more, as well as taking up more seating. If they can't fit into a seat, make them pay for two.
     
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    Yes if they are actually taking up the space that two people would take up. An airline, bus company, hell a movie theatre charges based on how many seats they can sell. If a person is so big that they take up multiple seats, they should have to pay for all of them.
     
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    You gonna weigh people before you sell them tickets? Or have them carry "Obese Citizen (OC)" identity cards?
     
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    Sounds almost like this one case a few months ago, where this extremely obese guy tried suing...I think it was American Airlines, just because he was too 'large' to fit in one seat and they asked if he'd like to buy two tickets for two seats 'for more comfort'.
     
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    IDupedInMyPants Banned

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    That'd be kinda like charging winners more for their drinks in a casino or something. Transportation services should do what casinos do and play the odds. Figure out average passenger weight and charge everybody what would be profitable based on that weight per person. You'll win some and lose some, but come out on top at the end of the week every time.
     
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    if they don't want these fatter people on the bus then they simply need to make the door smaller so they can't get in. problem solved.
     
  9. Jimi-

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    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay 80% more for my ticket so that I can sit with one cheek on my seat the entire plane flight. I had a similar situation occur while travelling on a commuter jet. I can barely fit my rear in those seats. I got stuck next to a poor woman who was easily 300 lbs. I literally spent the entire flight seatbelted to the seat, but holding myself in a sitting position with my left leg in the aisle. Even the flight attendent felt bad enough for me that she didn't say anything about not blocking the aisle.
     
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    Well, the problem is that anorexic people are going to demand discounts and we're gonna end up adding a scale to our current list of airport hassles, and then you're going to end up with airports adding five pounds to the scale like gyms do, and you'll end up paying different fares at different elevations. Then you'll have regular people complaining that fat people are able to deduct more travel expenses on their taxes. I think it's just more hassle than it's worth.
     
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    This reminds me a lot of the handicapped parking thread.

    I say you would be opening a can of worms here, because there are some people (not many, granted, but some) who are obese due to thyroid or other uncontrollable condition. How about you are charged double unless you can prove, with medical records or a permit if necessary, that your condition is beyond your ability to control?

    I have also met some really big people; for example, a friend of mine is about 6'8" tall and must weigh in at 275 pounds. He isn't fat, just really, really big. He probably takes up more than one average space on a public transport or would at least crowd up pretty close to the person next to him, as much as a fat person would. Should he be charged double? Or should he prove that it isn't his fault he's so gigantic? Where do you draw the line?

    No easy answers here, as usual.
     
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    Here's an idea. Make the armrests stay in place. Bolt them so they don't move. Nothing pisses me off more on a flight than when someone who's overweight sits down next to me and without asking immediately whips up the armrest so I'm stuck trying to hold my arm away from them the entire flight lest I rest it on their thigh, which is so snugly pressed up against mine that we might as well be cuddling.

    Seriously, make those armrests stationary. When people discover there's no way their 400 lbs. will fit in the tiny coach seat for an entire flight, they'll either pick another airline or buy a business class ticket.

    Perhaps it sounds selfish, but why should I spent my 11 hour flight to Buenos Aires even more cramped than I already am because the person who bought the ticket next to me needs 50% of my seat to be comfortable?
     
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    I don't think it's selfish at all, DC. I workout many hours week to stay fit (also to fight better) and it can really be annoying to see how people who spend their entire day eating unhealthy junk food while sitting on the couch watching "The Young and Restless" or "Jeopardy" could find it PERFECTLY OKAY to just cover you with 150+ lbs of fat.

    It's one thing when somebody really big (muscle wise) takes up two seats, but I think someone's who's just fat because he's lazy is another thing.

    I felt like a sqooshed sardine when that lady sat beside me this morning. No "Excuse Me" or "Oops, sorry". Nothing, she sat and slept and almost crushed me against the cabin car. That was just plain rude and inconsiderate. Heck I wouldn't even be ranting if she even said anything that acknowledged how upset I was.
     
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    Say you have them pay extra for the ticket. Aren't you, effecively, in the same position as you were before?
     
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    I'm not suggesting we have them pay more. I'm suggesting we reengineer the seats so that everyone gets their allotted space and no more, no less. That way I'm not paying 100% ticket price for 60% seat, and they're not paying 100% ticket price for 140% seat.

    I'm honestly not trying to be mean, and I don't judge people for being that way. It's not an easy battle to fight once you're there, and I'm aware that it's not always that person's fault that they are that way. The issue, however, is that when I pay $XXX for a seat on an airplane, I expect to get a seat on that airplane, not a sliver of that seat.
     
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    Hahaha I didn't think of that! On a vehicle that has specific # of seats (not one stretch seats like most New York City and New Jersey train cars do) then obviously, if they pay for an extra ticket, they get to sit on two seats just like in an airplane.

    But in the same type of train car I was in this morning, I guess buying two tickets wouldn't help since there is nothing on the stretched row seat how "big" a seat is.

    Oh well ... if anything that would encourage overly huge people to start dieting and losing weight ... don't you think?
     
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    Fat people are not the only ones creating discomfort. I have smelled the most horrible smells while on public transportation. If I go out in public, I have to carry an inhaler for those ladies who use a gallon of cheap perfume. I once had to sit next to a man with really bad breath that made me sick to my tummy.

    The fat doesn't physically bother me..the bad breath doesn't really bother me in a physical way. The perfume does. If I don't have my inhaler with me, I will be gasping for breath.

    I suggest we also make people who smell bad also have to buy a special seat. They offend me physically. Men are also included in the stench department. Men just use way too much of that Axe or other cheapy body spray. God, that makes me sick just thinking about it. Cheap cologne doesn't make you smell good, it makes you smell cheap.
     
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    I'm not sure if you're being slightly sarcastic, zodi, but seriously. How many 12 hour flights have you been on where you're confined to 2/3 of what was already a ridiculously small seat?

    If you're not being fecetious, I'd tend to agree that some smells can be absoluetly offensive--namely too much of anything. That said, I can usually find a way to cope with them even for a 12 hour stretch, but there's not much you can do when your seat is being overtaken.
     
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    Oh no..I am not being sarcastic. Try sitting next to a man/woman who is wearing cheap perfume for any stretch of time when you can't breathe. Yes, I usually carry an inhaler due to those morons. I say don't let them on either. If you have breathing problems, you would understand what I am saying. Its offensive, but it also makes breathing difficult.
     

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