Shieldless Avenger?

[Wimpus_Maximus]

Shieldless Avenger?

I have been using an avenger (standard build, PvM, Ladder) for some time now but I wanted to try something different. I love the way a pally looks with a big damage maul in his hand and was wondering if anyone has tried to make an avenger without using holy shield, nor a shield at all. You could save quite a few points going this route and have a LOT more damage, but i wonder how successful it would be in hell since you don't have the blocking/resists from shield (which could be obtained from charms)/ and Huge defence boost you normally get because of the use of holy shield.

If anyone has tried this out, I would be really interested in finding out how you faired in Hell, and what you would suggest.

Thank you,
Wimpus_Maximus

 

[Andrew]

I was theorizing the other day, an avenger weilding the IK set (minus the helm) would be great... lol

Immortal King's Stone Crusher
Ogre Maul Damage: 231 To 318 (274.5 Avg)
Required Level: 76
Required Strength: 225
Base Weapon Speed: [10]
+200% Enhanced Damage
+200% Damage To Demons
+250% Damage To Undead
40% Increased Attack Speed
Indestructible
35-40% Chance Of Crushing Blow (varies)
Socketed (2)
Adds 211-397 Fire Damage (2 items)
Adds 7-477 Lightning Damage (3 Items)
Adds 127-364 Cold Damage, 6 sec. Duration (Normal) (4 Items)
+204 Poison Damage Over 6 Seconds (5 Items)


Immortal King's Soul Cage
Sacred Armor Defense: 1001 (Base Defense: 487-600)
Defense: 1301 (Base Defense: 487-600)
Required Level: 76
Required Strength: 232
Durability: 60
+400 Defense
5% Chance To Cast Level 5 Enchant When Struck
Poison Resist +50%
+2 To Combat Skills (Barbarian Only)
+25% Faster Hit Recovery (2 Items)
Cold Resist +40% (3 Items)
Fire Resist +40% (4 Items)
Lightning Resist +40% (5 Items)


Immortal King's Detail
War Belt Defense: 89 (Base Defense: 41-52)
Defense: 194 (Base Defense: 41-52)
Defense: 247 (Base Defense 41-52)
Required Level: 29
Required Strength: 110
Durability: 24
16 boxes
+36 Defense
Lightning Resist +31%
Fire Resist +28%
+25 To Strength
+105 Defense (2 items)
+25% Faster Hit Recovery (3 Items)
+100% Enhanced Defense (4 Items)
Damage Reduced By 20% (5 Items)


Immortal King's Forge
War Gauntlets Defense: 108-118 (varies)(Base Defense: 43-53)
Defense: 228-238 (varies)(Base Defense: 43-53)
Required Level: 30
Required Strength: 110
Durability: 24
+65 Defense
12% Chance To Cast Level 4 Charged Bolt When Struck
+20 To Dexterity
+20 To Strength
+25% Increased Attack Speed (2 items)
+120 Defense (3 Items)
10% Life Stolen Per Hit (4 Items)
10% Mana Stolen Per Hit (5 Items)
Freezes Target +2 (Complete Set)

Immortal King's Pillar
War Boots
Defense: 118-128 (varies) (Base Defense: 43-53)
Defense: 278-288 (varies) (Base Defense: 43-53)
Required Level: 31
Required Strength: 125
Durability: 24
Assassin Kick Damage: 39-80
+75 Defense
40% Faster Run/Walk
+110 To Attack Rating
+44 To Life
25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items (2 items)
+2 To Combat Skills (Barbarian Only) (3 Items)
+160 Defense (4 Items)
Half Freeze Duration (5 Items)

 

[GenXCub]

The thing with the IK set is that you're already getting a good amount of elemental damage. Vengeance is based on the physical damage you do. If the elemental damage is already good, it may be more to your liking to Zeal with the IK maul (and all its elemental damage).

 

[Ossar]

I've tried it. Even with full resists (95) you're getting your *** kicked. You do a lot of damage but since it is mostly elemental there is little or no life leech. And thats bad!

 

[Amiral]

... but the dmg on IK maul isn't counting as any or what? (i dont know the normal dmg on a wep in 1.10...) anyway, i guess a something like this would be ultimate or simething near...

Eth. BotD thunder maul
upg. shaft
upg. gaze
Verdungus
Gore Riders
dunno gloves
raven
leech ring
cresent moon amy or Maras maybee, dunno

15 Vengeanze
15 res L/C/F (all)
20 Conviction
20 Salvation

str to wear, dex to hit, vit the rest... or something

 

[Wimpus_Maximus]

I've tried it. Even with full resists (95) you're getting your *** kicked. You do a lot of damage but since it is mostly elemental there is little or no life leech. And thats bad!

Do you get your *** kicked because you don't have a shield, though? Does the blocking really make that much of a difference? As I see it, your giving up any chance to block in doing it this way, and giving up the HUGE defence boost you would have gotten from Holy Shield. Other than that it should be roughly the same, except you have a lot more skill points to redistribute and you'll do a lot more damage.

I'm thinking that using it as my weapon switch might be a good idea against single enemies. Do you think that is a good idea, or that I'll end up as milk-toast?

Wimpus_Maximus

 

[lextalionis]

The thing with the IK set is that you're already getting a good amount of elemental damage. Vengeance is based on the physical damage you do. If the elemental damage is already good, it may be more to your liking to Zeal with the IK maul (and all its elemental damage).

But rememember all the new elemental damage on the stone crusher will get a damage bonus from conviction. This build has ridiculous FHR which will be nice for a shieldless build. I think you need to have a plan to leech possibly on every third/fifth hit. I wish this build had Cobra Strike, like an Assassin so that it could leech back