Seriously people..
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Re: Seriously people..
Its amazing, the people that really do not like this game and how its turning out, spending so much time on these forums like this. This is what i am going to say, Kreeper, in the nicest way posssible bud, i dont think your a troll, maybe a kid that like to annoy people but your not a troll, but i think some of us would like if you would discuss an not flame. My first reponce was not to much better than what you have posted, but i am not tired to day and a little bit more level headed.
Diablo 3 as we all know is not being made from the same team that made the first 2 games. This by itself tells us there will be changes. Blizzard is a smart company, they are not selling out and they are not going to ruin this game and they have not ruined WOW. WOW is currectly the #1 MMORPG, and other companies have tried to top it. Alot of people i know are talking about the Star Wars MMO coming out, but these are the same people who talked about WAR. Blizzard does not release many games, and its there repitation they have earned from releasing quality games over quanity games, that gives them so many fans.
The graphics in the new games are brighter, this was explained in a interview, they are not going to use the light radius thing this time around, because of other stuff they are doing, will be to demanding for the average pc to handle. They want as many people/fans to enjoy this game as possible. I am sure profit is one reason for a choise like this, but also would annoy alout of people if the could not play the sequal to the game they liked so much. I bet not ever place you go is going to be bright and cheary as some of the beggin level they have shown us so far, i am sure as we progress some places will get darker. Another Reason it does not look as dark is the improved graphics and clear picture, so we see more detail, instead of blur.
To say someone stinks with out some reasoning behind your opinion, is just sadly pathetic. for it to be a point you need some back up. I know at this point nothing i can say will channge your mind, because you have mind made up, but i will give you an example of what i mean. I think Josh wheadon sucks. For those who dont know him, he is the director for buffy and angle tv series that were on tv. I think he suck because he can not end a story. I think the shows were great, but he does not know how to end them, to me it hurts the experience. IF you dont like someone. atleast give us an explanation to why you dont like them, so either we can see your point to agree or disagree.
The group loot system, will really not effect anyone in my opinion, this will allow you to recieve your own loot still when playing with somebody else. This prevent leachers from snagging another player loot from there effort of getting alot of mf. Nothing more annoying when you kill a group of enemies and some else snags that unique ring that drops. Your still going to be able to do the same stuff by yourself, the only difference that it will be easier for you do it in a group.
Diablo serries to us was competivie, because that what we as players had made it. The game was always ment for you to team up with a friend or another player to just have fun. It is us that made the system i have to better than you. Dueling is competive, and some of us it goes far as pride. But this feature was put in ther for the fun factor. That and PK (which is dumb) is why they are changing stuff around how we have to PVP.
You know there are things i dont like as first sight, but untill the game i am not going to be able to make an official opinion yet. The barbs fury system, the orb system jsut to name a few. but these are really small thing that will not change the game to much, and the game will still be awsome. They are making these changes to improve the game, and make ir mopre fun for the majority to play. I am going to trust there judgemnet until they give me a reaon not too.
To the people who dont like the classes so far, if you dont like one of em, guess what there will be 4 other classes to play. So far i like the classes they have shown us,a nd can not wait untill the next 2 classes are revealed. Also so you know, diable lore is all made up, and they can fit anything they want in the diablo lore they want to, all they have to do is make up the new lore to support what ever they want.
Also, about your statement of burning your copy and going back to d2. If you really hate this game so much, msg me when your done with it i will buy your copy for half price, so atleast you will get some of your money back. I would not mind having an extra copy. But when D2 came out there people that said almost the same thing, some of them did it and some of them didn't. fi you look at the difference between diablo 1 and diablo 2, these differences are about as vasy as the difference between 2 and 3. they are not the same game, they will be different. Get over it already.
Flame and rant all you want, if you start to actually back up what you say and actually have a debate, i will be game. But if you want to just throw out nosence to see what you can get started have fun, it just making you look more dumb as yoiu go. I am not ignorant, i am very open minded, i have had opinions, and there have been people on these forums that made a good point or two and i change my opinion based on what they said. I dotn know why you want people to Dislike D3 so much, but if thats want you want, please hold up your side of the argument.
Its amazing, the people that really do not like this game and how its turning out, spending so much time on these forums like this. This is what i am going to say, Kreeper, in the nicest way posssible bud, i dont think your a troll, maybe a kid that like to annoy people but your not a troll, but i think some of us would like if you would discuss an not flame. My first reponce was not to much better than what you have posted, but i am not tired to day and a little bit more level headed.
Diablo 3 as we all know is not being made from the same team that made the first 2 games. This by itself tells us there will be changes. Blizzard is a smart company, they are not selling out and they are not going to ruin this game and they have not ruined WOW. WOW is currectly the #1 MMORPG, and other companies have tried to top it. Alot of people i know are talking about the Star Wars MMO coming out, but these are the same people who talked about WAR. Blizzard does not release many games, and its there repitation they have earned from releasing quality games over quanity games, that gives them so many fans.
The graphics in the new games are brighter, this was explained in a interview, they are not going to use the light radius thing this time around, because of other stuff they are doing, will be to demanding for the average pc to handle. They want as many people/fans to enjoy this game as possible. I am sure profit is one reason for a choise like this, but also would annoy alout of people if the could not play the sequal to the game they liked so much. I bet not ever place you go is going to be bright and cheary as some of the beggin level they have shown us so far, i am sure as we progress some places will get darker. Another Reason it does not look as dark is the improved graphics and clear picture, so we see more detail, instead of blur.
To say someone stinks with out some reasoning behind your opinion, is just sadly pathetic. for it to be a point you need some back up. I know at this point nothing i can say will channge your mind, because you have mind made up, but i will give you an example of what i mean. I think Josh wheadon sucks. For those who dont know him, he is the director for buffy and angle tv series that were on tv. I think he suck because he can not end a story. I think the shows were great, but he does not know how to end them, to me it hurts the experience. IF you dont like someone. atleast give us an explanation to why you dont like them, so either we can see your point to agree or disagree.
The group loot system, will really not effect anyone in my opinion, this will allow you to recieve your own loot still when playing with somebody else. This prevent leachers from snagging another player loot from there effort of getting alot of mf. Nothing more annoying when you kill a group of enemies and some else snags that unique ring that drops. Your still going to be able to do the same stuff by yourself, the only difference that it will be easier for you do it in a group.
Diablo serries to us was competivie, because that what we as players had made it. The game was always ment for you to team up with a friend or another player to just have fun. It is us that made the system i have to better than you. Dueling is competive, and some of us it goes far as pride. But this feature was put in ther for the fun factor. That and PK (which is dumb) is why they are changing stuff around how we have to PVP.
You know there are things i dont like as first sight, but untill the game i am not going to be able to make an official opinion yet. The barbs fury system, the orb system jsut to name a few. but these are really small thing that will not change the game to much, and the game will still be awsome. They are making these changes to improve the game, and make ir mopre fun for the majority to play. I am going to trust there judgemnet until they give me a reaon not too.
To the people who dont like the classes so far, if you dont like one of em, guess what there will be 4 other classes to play. So far i like the classes they have shown us,a nd can not wait untill the next 2 classes are revealed. Also so you know, diable lore is all made up, and they can fit anything they want in the diablo lore they want to, all they have to do is make up the new lore to support what ever they want.
Also, about your statement of burning your copy and going back to d2. If you really hate this game so much, msg me when your done with it i will buy your copy for half price, so atleast you will get some of your money back. I would not mind having an extra copy. But when D2 came out there people that said almost the same thing, some of them did it and some of them didn't. fi you look at the difference between diablo 1 and diablo 2, these differences are about as vasy as the difference between 2 and 3. they are not the same game, they will be different. Get over it already.
Flame and rant all you want, if you start to actually back up what you say and actually have a debate, i will be game. But if you want to just throw out nosence to see what you can get started have fun, it just making you look more dumb as yoiu go. I am not ignorant, i am very open minded, i have had opinions, and there have been people on these forums that made a good point or two and i change my opinion based on what they said. I dotn know why you want people to Dislike D3 so much, but if thats want you want, please hold up your side of the argument.
Re: Seriously people..
Ooh thanks for the reply Ishtor! An opposition who is willing to debate and not flame is always welcome!
Well for starters I welcome change and as anyone would expect of course the new team will bring much change but its not welcoming to me. WoW has been ruined until very recently they patched it up a tad. They made it super carebear and you can't deny that Vanilla was the best version and when TBC came out well it started good and ended what used to be WoW. They finally had a good idea and made the world awesome for both sides and made hard modes on almost all of their bosses. Now with Diablo already being an extremely easy game I don't like these uneccessary changes they are making to better suit the community as whole while not providing us people who thrive on challenge anything in return. Im actually all for stealing another idea from WoW and making hardmodes.
The people did add more competitive play but the original Diablo you could kill anyone and take all of their loot. The fact that such a feature was implemented means Blizzard was aiming for some competive play. Also D2 toned it down but Blizzard implemented hostility and tppk. They were whined to on many occasions and only had to say that these features were working as intended and hence have still not been patched. Now they have removed all of that all together wich for me kills part of the games most attractive features. D2 was the limit. Not so severe you couldn't escape and not a whole lot of punishment when you died. This was the perfect way to keep it I felt, but removing it entirely for the game simply because some people did not like it is rediculous. They didn't have to participate and now no one can.
The only flaw I find with the group loot system is that its going to put wayyyy more loot into circulation and now there are not items as rare as Zod. So everyones finding way more loot and its better loot than before. If you think about it its not hard for a million people to find an item that spawns every billion mosters of level. Also thats not taking into consideration the population is going to be much larger this time around because we are all on one server here in the US this time around. This presents alot of problems for the economy.
The classes im more than ok with besides the lack of original spells for the Sorc er Wizard. The graphics arn't one thing that are bothering me so much I just don't like that they havn't showed off some of that knowing what the majority of the fans are thinking. If they do have some scary/gory stuff implemented and planned to be in the game it wouldn't take em long to get us just 1 screenshot to ease our minds. They instead just said, well it gets better and scarier as you go on! Well to me thats an irrelevant statement. Im going to have to kill Diablo later on and I think he lives in Hell... of course its going to get scarier.
As to the Jay Wilson statement. I blame him for everything bad happening to Diablo and his apparent lack of experience with the game through interviews I've read annoys me. Mostly I did that for kicks though I suppose I can't honestly blame him for evvverything, just most everything. Also I'll hold you to that offer of buying my copy half price if it starts to outweigh the enjoyment I recieve from buring my copy and roasting smores over it. I quite enjoys smores though.
Ooh thanks for the reply Ishtor! An opposition who is willing to debate and not flame is always welcome!
Well for starters I welcome change and as anyone would expect of course the new team will bring much change but its not welcoming to me. WoW has been ruined until very recently they patched it up a tad. They made it super carebear and you can't deny that Vanilla was the best version and when TBC came out well it started good and ended what used to be WoW. They finally had a good idea and made the world awesome for both sides and made hard modes on almost all of their bosses. Now with Diablo already being an extremely easy game I don't like these uneccessary changes they are making to better suit the community as whole while not providing us people who thrive on challenge anything in return. Im actually all for stealing another idea from WoW and making hardmodes.
The people did add more competitive play but the original Diablo you could kill anyone and take all of their loot. The fact that such a feature was implemented means Blizzard was aiming for some competive play. Also D2 toned it down but Blizzard implemented hostility and tppk. They were whined to on many occasions and only had to say that these features were working as intended and hence have still not been patched. Now they have removed all of that all together wich for me kills part of the games most attractive features. D2 was the limit. Not so severe you couldn't escape and not a whole lot of punishment when you died. This was the perfect way to keep it I felt, but removing it entirely for the game simply because some people did not like it is rediculous. They didn't have to participate and now no one can.
The only flaw I find with the group loot system is that its going to put wayyyy more loot into circulation and now there are not items as rare as Zod. So everyones finding way more loot and its better loot than before. If you think about it its not hard for a million people to find an item that spawns every billion mosters of level. Also thats not taking into consideration the population is going to be much larger this time around because we are all on one server here in the US this time around. This presents alot of problems for the economy.
The classes im more than ok with besides the lack of original spells for the Sorc er Wizard. The graphics arn't one thing that are bothering me so much I just don't like that they havn't showed off some of that knowing what the majority of the fans are thinking. If they do have some scary/gory stuff implemented and planned to be in the game it wouldn't take em long to get us just 1 screenshot to ease our minds. They instead just said, well it gets better and scarier as you go on! Well to me thats an irrelevant statement. Im going to have to kill Diablo later on and I think he lives in Hell... of course its going to get scarier.
As to the Jay Wilson statement. I blame him for everything bad happening to Diablo and his apparent lack of experience with the game through interviews I've read annoys me. Mostly I did that for kicks though I suppose I can't honestly blame him for evvverything, just most everything. Also I'll hold you to that offer of buying my copy half price if it starts to outweigh the enjoyment I recieve from buring my copy and roasting smores over it. I quite enjoys smores though.
Re: Seriously people..
LOL... that copy thing is no problem. I would like having extra copies, aslong as your cd key does not get banned lol. but to repond to the rest of your new post.
I will try not to discuss wow to much more, but now aday people complained about how hard the hard mode is, no one will ever be happy. The game was never ruined for me, and i still find the game to be easy, as well as i do with diablo 2. I quite wow after not playing d2 for atleast over a year, 2 months later i have 3 fully equiped charecters, and 1 charecter that has fun equipment on (an assassian with full nats, but i got some leet gear on her too.) I would like a challenge again. The reason why its so easy to me though is because i have the game memorized, i have so many hours in the game, to me i could play the game asleep, which i have sadley done more than once. I dont like all the changes, i am looking at te overall picture right now, we are finally geting D3, to me right now thats enough.
I have not looked forward to many games sequal, i folloed the new smash brothers just as hard as i follow D3. I was always impressed with the update, and i had friends that abused glitches in the games, and looked at the new gameplay, knowing there skill level would be reset again, and deside the game would probally suck. ( i promise this is going somewhere. ) well we all bought the game and out of the 6 of us that played together, only 2 of liked the game, and it was the 2 of that did not think the game was going to suck. the other 4 went back to the old version where they could wave dash, L cancle and down cancle. Having so much regret toward the game to me convince me you will not like the game.
I want every on this forum to like the game, i would not mind starting the first clan with people on this forum, but you will have to enjoy the game to do so. instead of focusing on the stuff you dont like, try and focus on the stuff you do like, you might relize some of the stuff you have complained about really is not that big of deal.
I am not saying there is not competive things in diablo, dueling is always competative thing. no one likes to loose. but just because they include stuff like this, does not mean that is what blizzard made the game for. It human nature to want to be the best, and outing stuff in like this bring are competitive nature out. They still will have pvp, and there still will compition. I just think with stuff like the group loots system,they want more friendly interaction between players. I agree if this system is not fully tweaked, we might get item flooded, through patches and expansion i am sure there will be more stuff to find and collect. and we dont the amount of items there will be to find. there still will be easy stuff to find, but there will be harder stuff to find to.
This system will improve the quality of trade games, more people to trade with, whats not good about that. There things that will take place to keep this up, one making new charecter, making one of each charecter and getting items will be like playing ladder when we all first start. Nobody will ahve anything and everyone will have to play throught the game. It probally take some time for us come up with a method of MF runs, which from what i read they want to get rid of, and rushing. If there is a way though we will find it
If you blame Jay Wilson for everything, i understand y ou not happy with stuff that has been changed. remember though he not the only one making these changes, there is alot of other people do this with him, he jsut the voice we get to hear (read.)
thanks for reading my full post, i did not relize i had type so much!
LOL... that copy thing is no problem. I would like having extra copies, aslong as your cd key does not get banned lol. but to repond to the rest of your new post.
I will try not to discuss wow to much more, but now aday people complained about how hard the hard mode is, no one will ever be happy. The game was never ruined for me, and i still find the game to be easy, as well as i do with diablo 2. I quite wow after not playing d2 for atleast over a year, 2 months later i have 3 fully equiped charecters, and 1 charecter that has fun equipment on (an assassian with full nats, but i got some leet gear on her too.) I would like a challenge again. The reason why its so easy to me though is because i have the game memorized, i have so many hours in the game, to me i could play the game asleep, which i have sadley done more than once. I dont like all the changes, i am looking at te overall picture right now, we are finally geting D3, to me right now thats enough.
I have not looked forward to many games sequal, i folloed the new smash brothers just as hard as i follow D3. I was always impressed with the update, and i had friends that abused glitches in the games, and looked at the new gameplay, knowing there skill level would be reset again, and deside the game would probally suck. ( i promise this is going somewhere. ) well we all bought the game and out of the 6 of us that played together, only 2 of liked the game, and it was the 2 of that did not think the game was going to suck. the other 4 went back to the old version where they could wave dash, L cancle and down cancle. Having so much regret toward the game to me convince me you will not like the game.
I want every on this forum to like the game, i would not mind starting the first clan with people on this forum, but you will have to enjoy the game to do so. instead of focusing on the stuff you dont like, try and focus on the stuff you do like, you might relize some of the stuff you have complained about really is not that big of deal.
I am not saying there is not competive things in diablo, dueling is always competative thing. no one likes to loose. but just because they include stuff like this, does not mean that is what blizzard made the game for. It human nature to want to be the best, and outing stuff in like this bring are competitive nature out. They still will have pvp, and there still will compition. I just think with stuff like the group loots system,they want more friendly interaction between players. I agree if this system is not fully tweaked, we might get item flooded, through patches and expansion i am sure there will be more stuff to find and collect. and we dont the amount of items there will be to find. there still will be easy stuff to find, but there will be harder stuff to find to.
This system will improve the quality of trade games, more people to trade with, whats not good about that. There things that will take place to keep this up, one making new charecter, making one of each charecter and getting items will be like playing ladder when we all first start. Nobody will ahve anything and everyone will have to play throught the game. It probally take some time for us come up with a method of MF runs, which from what i read they want to get rid of, and rushing. If there is a way though we will find it
If you blame Jay Wilson for everything, i understand y ou not happy with stuff that has been changed. remember though he not the only one making these changes, there is alot of other people do this with him, he jsut the voice we get to hear (read.)
thanks for reading my full post, i did not relize i had type so much!
Kentalicious
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Seriously people..
for people arguing over pointless things... when you have the time watch these pannel videos
http://d3db.com/media/video
for people arguing over pointless things... when you have the time watch these pannel videos
http://d3db.com/media/video
Re: Seriously people..
sorry to disagree with you i will watch the videos though, but i am ver selective on the post i comment on, and if i comment on the post to me it important enough. Beside to me this makes my work day go by faster when durring my down time, i am doing stuff like this and playing flash games on deadwhale.com.....
Kentalicious
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Seriously people..
even though some of the videos are 50 minutes they go by fast... the developers have good sence of humor
Krugar
Banned
Re: Seriously people..
How else they would handle the asinine criticism of their work as this thread is a perfect example.
It's a survival trait these days. I'd even say mandatory.
How else they would handle the asinine criticism of their work as this thread is a perfect example.
Putz
Diabloii.Net Member
Re: Seriously people..
I wonder how much the game has changed since all the things Jay Wilson said back in 08...
Chances are Blizzard has been reading forums and passing the information on. We really do not know what to expect as it's been ages since some real info has come out. Can we expect anything before Blizzcon? Not likely.
I wonder how much the game has changed since all the things Jay Wilson said back in 08...
Chances are Blizzard has been reading forums and passing the information on. We really do not know what to expect as it's been ages since some real info has come out. Can we expect anything before Blizzcon? Not likely.
Re: Seriously people..
I am sure after watching video with jay wilson, while playing games and interacting with people, and not saying hey i am Jay wilson, but be like you excited about diablo 3? what do you liek or dislike about it. I sure they listen to fans to some point but i would not expect to much.
I am sure after watching video with jay wilson, while playing games and interacting with people, and not saying hey i am Jay wilson, but be like you excited about diablo 3? what do you liek or dislike about it. I sure they listen to fans to some point but i would not expect to much.