Seriously people..

[kreeper]

Seriously people..

Everytime I check the forums it seems like Diablo 3 sucks more and more. Don't bother replying unless you have read this entire post without bias and without thinking, Rrr his opinion differs from mine, time to flame!!!!

1. Drops for everyone? Ok listen since B.Net 2.0 is coming there will be NO hacks meaning NO pickit. You can MF anything in the whole game on your own, so hell yeah if we are gonna team up to kill someone, you can fight for the drops. Honestly if you team up with people the mobs should drop way worse items in my opinion. This game is too easy to mf in groups. Groups were for gaining experience and beating content, thats it. Though I must say this would be a great idea if pickit was making a return but its not. You cannot argue this, and don't feed me bull**** about griefing because as I said you could just MF in a private game on your own where you actually earn your drops.

2. No more rediculously hard to find items? Lowering drop rates only worsens the economy. Now we got way more loot dropping cause everyone has to have their own and now its going to better loot to. Great everyones gonna be geared out and bored in no time, go team!

3. No more hostility? Damn there goes hardcore. TPPK hack was ***, and should be taken out casue theres no way to defend against it. But regular PK is awesome. Theres no difference between going back to town/leaving game or hitting a "deny duel" button. Either way you can avoid the duel very easily.

4. I thought in D2 rares were already end game? and now we don't want crafting either? I don't know about you guys but all my chars were decked out in rares. Druid pelts, circs, rings, ammys, zon glovs, tri res boots, sorc orbs, and soo many more rares were end game for your char if you could find them but most casuals struggled with the easy stuff cause they were to lazy to magic find on there own. They sat in Baal runs leaching whining about how they didnt get any drops. This is more an issue with the apparently forgetful community.

5. I have nothing bad to say about the graphics except wheres all the bodies and gore and guts? I saw a body hanging in a tree, thats it. Don't tell me they just havn't implimented it yet. They dress up everything they release so that it looks awesome for the fans. So odds are, no more scary stuff or they would have showed us some by now knowing that all the true Diablo fans want nothing more.

6. Anyone play God of War? I do and Diablo 3 is looking quite similar in many ways, more similar than opposed to WoW even. Theres too much not to have noticed this, seriously, anyone else notice or am I crazy?!

7. Jay Wilson, you suck.

8. Auto-stats are pointless. Fine every end game build ends up being the same if you look up stradegy guides for your character and getting rushed. But if there are no more rushed it would definately be different for everyone because they would allocate to their own playing style. This is just an ignorant reasoning behind the fact they are dumbing down D3 for a bigger audience.

9. Clearly they sold out the Diablo franchise. Everythings all about co-op now when Diablo always was and has always been competitive. Whos better, got better items, and whos gonna kill this first. If you didnt like that you had the option to do it with friends or on your own or anyone else who liked it like that and other people had the option to be as competitive and ruthless as we pleased. But no we have to make Sanctuary a better place for all to enjoy! So now only fun loving, co-op care bear boys can play here, no options! At this rate Diablos fate is going to end in the same way as WoW when D3 is released and anyone who can't see that is in serious denial.

10. Because everyone thats too ingnorant to accept these facts, going to call me a troll and flame me to hell because they are the ones ruining the game and are blind to their foul deeds is going to be spreading their douche-baggery all over this game.

 

[jamoose]

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Yeah yeah... we already heard this kind of whining.

I think you are wrong about many things. You are right about some.


When d3 is released you are going to buy and play it. So shhhh.

 

[jacobgold]

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So basically OP hates diablo 3 because it's diablo 3 and not diablo 2.

Simple solution: don't buy the game.

How can one guy have such a hate-on for a game that isn't even in beta?

 

[tomhyde]

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I've said it many times before and I will carry on saying it:

Diablo 2 is a great game because it is Diablo 2. I dont want Diablo 2 to be re-made and relabled D3. I want a new game.

I can't help feeling like I'm one of a seemingly small number of people who like just about every announced aspect and change being made to Diablo in Diablo 3. I admit some aspect I am curious to see how they will work out. I dont hate them or anything like that. I wouldn't even say I'm concerned. I'm just curious to see the new direction the games going to go in and I can't wait for its release.

Yes I played WoW. Far too much of it in all honesty and frankly I'm delighted to see Blizzard appear to be learning from some of their successes with WoW and their failures in D2 because like it or not Diablo 2 if a long way from perfect. I don't understand why people feel they are "dumbing" the game down for a larger audience. Its logical from a buisness POV that to make a game viable as a product (dont kid youself thats exactly what games are) you need to make it as accessible to as many different people as possible. If Blizzard felt they wouldn't make money making Diablo 3 they never would have started making it. Games are designed and made to make money. That is their objective. You can love making them and pour your heart and soul into them but if they dont make you money in the end the excersie was a failure.

In summary I guess people are frightened of change. In my opinion you either get on board with the new direction the game goes in or stick to D2, ignore Diablo 3 and quit whining about it.

 

[DWS]

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I think it's fairly obvious to see that D3 is the in-between game from the Diablo franchise to the World of Diablo franchise.

People would ***** and moan if it went completely in that direction, but if they did a little bit right now, added some lore to make it more MMO, a couple of factions, ability to use both boys and girls, get people used to the MMO drop style, talent style, end boss style, probably quest style too. If they did some of those things then a few years from now those people will be ripe and ready for the World of Diablo franchise.

IF we get 2 more or less distinct factions (heaven vs hell) with people on both sides, a world in chaos that's owned more or less by those 2 factions, somewhat of a stalemate at the end then you can pretty much guarantee that we'll see World of Diablo 5 years from now.

Think about it - WoW is more or less maxed out with people. How does a company continue to expand? Sure they can scratch out small amounts of new fans. They probably don't want to make WoW 2 for awhile because so many are still in and paying for WoW1.

What to do, what to do?

World of Diablo!
- A whole new set of fans paying on a monthly basis
- A lot of WoW fans doing BOTH
- Cool opportunity to market and get new fans
- More revenue streams
- etc.

It's total win from everybody except the people who absolutely will not like the switchover. Thus, let's "ease" them into it.

Ta da.

 

[D_TradeSs]

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i think they've already said World of Diablo is not going to happen.

They mentioned some months ago in an interview the possibility of multiple expansion games for diablo 3, so if I have to bet on a "gamestyle" , it will be like Guild Wars and not World of Warcraft.

 

[DWS]

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i think they've already said World of Diablo is not going to happen.

They mentioned some months ago in an interview the possibility of multiple expansion games for diablo 3, so if I have to bet on a "gamestyle" , it will be like Guild Wars and not World of Warcraft.

The official quotes you included there are helpful. :thumbup:

Well you might be right I don't know I have not seen that. They probably said Diablo 3 will not be an MMO. But I can't tell because you didn't include a quote... :thumbup: :thumbup:

Aaaaaanywaaaaays - the general idea is I do not think Blizz will be happy with a long term business plan that is reliant on box sales. So I can guarantee you there was a board room meeting somewhere along the line that revolved around just such a question.

Seems to me Blizz is making D3 a little more MMO-ish bit by bit.

 

[Gorny]

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To the OP (and the rest), can we please keep the language off the boards?

This isn't the official boards and there's no need to use terms such as douche baggery, etc. Also this is a forum and people will respond in whatever manner they wish, either to part of a post or the whole.

As to trolling and flaming, thats what the staff is here for. If someone flames, etc then report the post and we will deal with it.

Lastly I remind everyone to be aware of the forum rules, please respect other members and do not talk down on them. If you have not yet read the rules, do so.

 

[Kiroptus]

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1. Drops for everyone? Ok listen since B.Net 2.0 is coming there will be NO hacks meaning NO pickit. You can MF anything in the whole game on your own, so hell yeah if we are gonna team up to kill someone, you can fight for the drops. Honestly if you team up with people the mobs should drop way worse items in my opinion. This game is too easy to mf in groups. Groups were for gaining experience and beating content, thats it. Though I must say this would be a great idea if pickit was making a return but its not. You cannot argue this, and don't feed me bull**** about griefing because as I said you could just MF in a private game on your own where you actually earn your drops.

Global drops just made everyone wanting to play solo, but *suprise!* Diablo was supposed to be a Coop Game! Yes, shocking isnt it? And you know nothing if Diablo 3 will be "too easy for groups" as D2 was. D2 is a very imbalanced game, a single character like a hammerdin with enigma, sorc or an asn with infinity can solo the game, not just the game, a Hell difficulty with 8people. Its just that imbalanced, Diablo 3 will actually require some group interaction where in D2 all you want is for the hammerdin (bot or not) to clear your baal run so you can get xp while you stay idle. Thats a very bad coop experience. You may not play like this but its what the game has become nowdays.

2. No more rediculously hard to find items? Lowering drop rates only worsens the economy. Now we got way more loot dropping cause everyone has to have their own and now its going to better loot to. Great everyones gonna be geared out and bored in no time, go team!

They only said that things as ZoD wont return, and its a good thing because I guess it was easier to win in the lotery than finding a zod, the odds were too big.

3. No more hostility? Damn there goes hardcore. TPPK hack was ***, and should be taken out casue theres no way to defend against it. But regular PK is awesome. Theres no difference between going back to town/leaving game or hitting a "deny duel" button. Either way you can avoid the duel very easily.

Exactly, Its ridiculously easy to avoid. Its an useless feature, PK has only been made a threat because of hacks. Legitmate PK is always a laughable attempt to kill someone in an instanced game and again, D2 was supposed to be an Coop game, it never made any sense to have this hostility, and PVP is in, its just needs a consensual duel accept, they just removed non-consensual Pk. And this topic has been done to death already and no plausible arguments were raised in defense of it, so give up on it.

4. I thought in D2 rares were already end game? and now we don't want crafting either? I don't know about you guys but all my chars were decked out in rares. Druid pelts, circs, rings, ammys, zon glovs, tri res boots, sorc orbs, and soo many more rares were end game for your char if you could find them but most casuals struggled with the easy stuff cause they were to lazy to magic find on there own. They sat in Baal runs leaching whining about how they didnt get any drops. This is more an issue with the apparently forgetful community.

They did hint into some form of crafting, surely it will be back. And why rares wouldnt return? Nothing about the abscence of rares was said...

5. I have nothing bad to say about the graphics except wheres all the bodies and gore and guts? I saw a body hanging in a tree, thats it. Don't tell me they just havn't implimented it yet. They dress up everything they release so that it looks awesome for the fans. So odds are, no more scary stuff or they would have showed us some by now knowing that all the true Diablo fans want nothing more.

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6. Anyone play God of War? I do and Diablo 3 is looking quite similar in many ways, more similar than opposed to WoW even. Theres too much not to have noticed this, seriously, anyone else notice or am I crazy?!

God of War is a modern action game and Diablo 3 is also a modern action game with a light touch of RPG-character build and heavily based on loot. They have their similiraties afterall the most important aspect of Diablo is first the action, then the loot and then the RPg elements, its no surprise that God of War, one of the most heralded action games of the past gen, has some influence on it.

7. Jay Wilson, you suck.

All his design decisions were great. Maybe you would prefer Bill Roper back in the director seat? Look how greatly he handled his own game: Hellgate London with its horrible tongue-in-cheek humor based atmosphere.

Fun fact: The only good design decisions in hellgate that was noted to the community and critics were individual drops and the lack of non-consensual PK. So there goes your argument that Jay Wilson is the one thinking that, even the old director from Diablo 2 recognizes that these features cant continue like they were in Diablo 2 and as Hellgate was always noted by Bill Roper as the spiritual sucessor of Diablo 2, you can count that even if JW wasnt onboard, all those changes would have been made either way.

8. Auto-stats are pointless. Fine every end game build ends up being the same if you look up stradegy guides for your character and getting rushed. But if there are no more rushed it would definately be different for everyone because they would allocate to their own playing style. This is just an ignorant reasoning behind the fact they are dumbing down D3 for a bigger audience.

Stats never made too much of a point, plus there is a new rune skill system which is far more interesting than the boring stat points.

9. Clearly they sold out the Diablo franchise. Everythings all about co-op now when Diablo always was and has always been competitive. Whos better, got better items, and whos gonna kill this first. If you didnt like that you had the option to do it with friends or on your own or anyone else who liked it like that and other people had the option to be as competitive and ruthless as we pleased. But no we have to make Sanctuary a better place for all to enjoy! So now only fun loving, co-op care bear boys can play here, no options! At this rate Diablos fate is going to end in the same way as WoW when D3 is released and anyone who can't see that is in serious denial.

I think you are mistaking Diablo for another game... Diablo was about being competitive? Dont make me laugh, it was always a coop game, a singleplayer with an option to MP coop game, a very flawed and poorly designed one but now thats why so many changes are being made. This grieving and flawed Coop experience that was present in D2 will stay there and wont return.

10. Because everyone thats too ingnorant to accept these facts, going to call me a troll and flame me to hell because they are the ones ruining the game and are blind to their foul deeds is going to be spreading their douche-baggery all over this game.

No, nobody requested any of the changes made to Diablo 3, infact most people didnt even believe that Diablo 3 would ever come out as it wasnt financially viable for them as they had their cashcow World of warcraft. Blizzard themselves made those design decisions as they announced game with those already and I and many people here agree with them.

Again, this is always the classic case of when people see Diablo 2's flaws as some kind of brilliance. I guess we have one of those each day... thing is what worked 8 years ago doesnt work anymore, the design philosofy in Diablo 2 wont apply to nowdays standards, just deal with it.

 

[Risingred]

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1. Drops for everyone? Ok listen since B.Net 2.0 is coming there will be NO hacks meaning NO pickit.

You have no way of knowing that. Another member mentioned the system in Hellgate: London which is basically what they switched to for Diablo 3. Having tried Diablo II's system and that of Hellgate I can say that I'm excited about this change. I was never much of a loot whore but, as others have said, it really killed the co-op experience.

2. No more rediculously hard to find items? Lowering drop rates only worsens the economy. Now we got way more loot dropping cause everyone has to have their own and now its going to better loot to. Great everyones gonna be geared out and bored in no time, go team!

Again, another user has addressed this concern. I think your point here is very valid but we've yet to actually see how they're going to handle the rarity of powerful items.

3. No more hostility? Damn there goes hardcore. TPPK hack was ***, and should be taken out casue theres no way to defend against it. But regular PK is awesome. Theres no difference between going back to town/leaving game or hitting a "deny duel" button. Either way you can avoid the duel very easily.

This is a very, very, very tired subject.
As with the drops, hostility killed the co-op environment. I confess that I've done quite a bit of it in my time but this added in with the drop system just seemed to kind of breed a very negative playing atmosphere which was based more around being a greedy jerk to other players than enjoying their company, which is what online gaming is about.

I do understand the appeal of hostility. I wish there were some ultra-clever way of making both camps feasibly happy with the end result but I highly doubt the PK crowd will be happy when the game is released.

4. I thought in D2 rares were already end game? and now we don't want crafting either? I don't know about you guys but all my chars were decked out in rares. Druid pelts, circs, rings, ammys, zon glovs, tri res boots, sorc orbs, and soo many more rares were end game for your char if you could find them but most casuals struggled with the easy stuff cause they were to lazy to magic find on there own. They sat in Baal runs leaching whining about how they didnt get any drops. This is more an issue with the apparently forgetful community.

The dev team has mentioned that they are looking at crafting, but I have no idea what any of the plans are. Just like PVP this is all up in the air. I enjoy crafting, too, and I hope they have some in the game.

5. I have nothing bad to say about the graphics except wheres all the bodies and gore and guts? I saw a body hanging in a tree, thats it. Don't tell me they just havn't implimented it yet. They dress up everything they release so that it looks awesome for the fans. So odds are, no more scary stuff or they would have showed us some by now knowing that all the true Diablo fans want nothing more.

Actually there's a post on the front page about it.
And a while back, people complained about lack of gore and other common horror-themed sets, and they did indeed add in some more stuff based on fan reaction.

6. Anyone play God of War? I do and Diablo 3 is looking quite similar in many ways, more similar than opposed to WoW even. Theres too much not to have noticed this, seriously, anyone else notice or am I crazy?!

Sorry, never played it.

7. Jay Wilson, you suck.

Completely pointless insults like this are the reason you are going to get flamed, and I can't say you don't have it coming. Honestly, that was very childish.

8. Auto-stats are pointless. Fine every end game build ends up being the same if you look up stradegy guides for your character and getting rushed. But if there are no more rushed it would definately be different for everyone because they would allocate to their own playing style. This is just an ignorant reasoning behind the fact they are dumbing down D3 for a bigger audience.

Another user covered this fairly succintly. I also agree that the rune system will not only be more effective (in theory right now at least) but it also sounds just plain fun. There wasn't much fun about clicking a button and adding 1 point to some tangential stat. Also, the runes are drops so that adds in to the fun of finding a powerful skill rune. Reward the player with items, that's how these games operate. What better reward?

9. Clearly they sold out the Diablo franchise. Everythings all about co-op now when Diablo always was and has always been competitive. Whos better, got better items, and whos gonna kill this first. If you didnt like that you had the option to do it with friends or on your own or anyone else who liked it like that and other people had the option to be as competitive and ruthless as we pleased. But no we have to make Sanctuary a better place for all to enjoy! So now only fun loving, co-op care bear boys can play here, no options! At this rate Diablos fate is going to end in the same way as WoW when D3 is released and anyone who can't see that is in serious denial.

Every development team for the diablo franchise has repeatedly said, over and over again, that the focus of gameplay was on co-operation between players. PK/PVP was added in almost as a side-thought (obviously, since in both games it is horrendously broken) and not a focus.

10. Because everyone thats too ingnorant to accept these facts, going to call me a troll and flame me to hell because they are the ones ruining the game and are blind to their foul deeds is going to be spreading their douche-baggery all over this game.

You cannot call someone ignorant then continue on with such a solidly stupid rant.

I respect your opinion but you are very close-minded and rude.

 

[Putz]

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As I've been feeding to all the nay-sayers.... WAH WAH I DON'T LIKE CHANGE.

 

[stillman]

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1. I'm shelling out a lot of money for my internet service, so what I want more than ANYTHING else is to play with some other people. When I play d2, I may as well be playing single player. I get punished in d2 for playing in parties. They take drops even though I'm hosting a chaos run, and those other problems like PvP are also preventing people from ever seeing another player. I'm paying good money for bnet interaction, but I'm not getting any. D3 is going to fix that once and for all.

5. Good news about the gore. I believe Blizzard recently said that evil creatues in Sanctuary still enjoy impaling people on hooks or spears, or something of that nature. We just haven't seen that stuff yet.

8. Autostats. As many people do, you are presuming there will be no way to manipulate your stats in d3 besides gear. For all we know, there could be quest rewards that say "Here you go, 20 stat points, use them as desired". There could also be skills that add to your stats which may go into the game later. Maybe the talisman will come back it could be just a big old thingy that lets you put 10 saphires into it for 50 strength or w/e you want to put in. Surely, we will be able to get whatever stats we want added to gear. Everything you wear in d3 will have sockets. Gloves, belts, 'legendary items', everything. That's directly form JW. That's a lot of str points for your wizard if that's what you want.

 

[Valindria]

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Everything you wear in d3 will have sockets. Gloves, belts, 'legendary items', everything. That's directly form JW. That's a lot of str points for your wizard if that's what you want.

Do you have a link for that? That was news to me. I am not saying you are wrong, just curious.

 

[Romak]

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@OP: Hmmm okay, let's see.

1. I agree - No pickit hack means that everyone have equal chance of getting the drop... Range characters too (I really don't know who made up the myth that range characters are unlikely to get the drops. Sorcs steal my barb's drops all the time). All drops to all characters is one of the things that were good about D1 and 2 and they removed it for the sake of drop system that is so fair that it's disgusting. However, you can't say that the game is too easy to farm in groups just because you assume D3 will be as easy to solo as D2. If the number of drops multiplies according to the number of players in game... there's no reason to farm alone.

2. Agreed. Again, since there are no hacks and dupes, there's no reason not to make extremely rare and strong items.

3. Agreed.

4. I don't know what information you were refering to here, but I'll say this; In diablo 2, one of the reason the entire gear design was so awesome is that all type of items were desireable. I can have an amazon wearing a [Unique] Griffon's Eye, [Rare] boots, [Magical] Java Gloves 3/20, [Set] Angelic ring/amulet... etc. and she would kick butt. All type of rarity items can come in handy. I really hope that they are taking that to Diablo 3.

5. Actually, I have no problem with the blood & gore. Have you seen BlizzCon's demo? There's like a 2.5 meters long blood splatter when you slash a zombie, and it looks pretty cool too. Though I agree about the environmental violence level... 1 hanging corpse? meh. The most horrifying thing shown so far was the 'corpse wagon' with the soldiers burning the bodies. It was really cool. But that's it... Plus, even the hanging corpses are not that creepy. In diablo 1 and 2, you could spot out naked men and women butchered in all kind of ways - yes, I'm a sick bastard.

6. I love God of War too. I can tell that the barbarian is kratos inspired for sure. Actually, I remember in one of the first Jay Wilson interviews, he said that he's heavily inspired by God of War. I say; If more God of War-ness means less WoW-ness. I'm okay.

7. Agreed.

8. Completely automatic is bullcrap, yep. They could make a less automatic system... like letting you choose how it will be assigned (20% to str, 10% to dex etc.). Right now, with the auto stats, I can't see the point in having stats at all.

9. Agreed. One of the biggest differences between D1+2 and D3 is that D1 and 2 were competitive and D3 is cooperative. Wouldn't go as far as say that they sold the franchise, but yeah, they screw up with their care-bear way of thinking.

 

[Risingred]

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9. Agreed. One of the biggest differences between D1+2 and D3 is that D1 and 2 were competitive and D3 is cooperative.

Find me a link from ANYWHERE...at any point in time...where a blizzard employee says that the diablo franchise was built for competitiveness.

You won't find it.

 

[Drakk]

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Thanks to Kiroptus for taking the time to squash every "arguement" the OP had. In my opinion the thread should have ended there because you covered it all.

And to OP, http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728871

 

[Ishtor]

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Everytime I check the forums it seems like Diablo 3 sucks more and more. Don't bother replying unless you have read this entire post without bias and without thinking, Rrr his opinion differs from mine, time to flame!!!!

Okay! I did what you asked and read the entire post, and what i got from it was nothing but a rant from a inmature brat. Do you want some cheese with that whine? Well sit back and read all my replies sir, and hold on tight because it going to get messy!

1. Drops for everyone? Ok listen since B.Net 2.0 is coming there will be NO hacks meaning NO pickit. You can MF anything in the whole game on your own, so hell yeah if we are gonna team up to kill someone, you can fight for the drops. Honestly if you team up with people the mobs should drop way worse items in my opinion. This game is too easy to mf in groups. Groups were for gaining experience and beating content, thats it. Though I must say this would be a great idea if pickit was making a return but its not. You cannot argue this, and don't feed me bull**** about griefing because as I said you could just MF in a private game on your own where you actually earn your drops.

First i would like to say, Diablo was always ment for co op play, we as the players are the ones who made it competative between us. The new drops system is great, it ensure everyone get there on drops, there will be no in game people, whinning about they did get that drop, or yell cheater because they think some one is useing a hack. This new drop method also has it to where people have 1 less reason to use a hack. You cant say people will not use hacks, given time it will happen, thats what hackers enjoy the most is the challenge of getting an unfair upper hand. I know this method is not perfect, but it is better and more fair than what has been done int he past. And not knowing how the full system works yet, we cant complain about it until we try it. It might sound bad now but it might actually be very good! I will trust blizzard track record, and believe they know what they are doing.

2. No more rediculously hard to find items? Lowering drop rates only worsens the economy. Now we got way more loot dropping cause everyone has to have their own and now its going to better loot to. Great everyones gonna be geared out and bored in no time, go team!

Um.... rediculouly hard to find items, does not mean there will not be hard items to find, but he reffered to stuff like the zod rune. Honestly how many time have you found an Zod rune? i have played d2 on bnet since it was released, and put more hours in the game than i probally should have. I for one, have never found one.

3. No more hostility? Damn there goes hardcore. TPPK hack was ***, and should be taken out casue theres no way to defend against it. But regular PK is awesome. Theres no difference between going back to town/leaving game or hitting a "deny duel" button. Either way you can avoid the duel very easily.

They never said there was not going ot be PVP, all they said was there going to make it harder to be a douche! PK is the dumbest thing ever, lets all act like freakin 5 year olds. Yes for yo u might be fun, if you int he inmature type of thing, but for the person youkilled not so much. Not even talking a Hardcore player, who just lost everything and has to start over because you were being a dumb jerk, they survived the mobs and Bnets lagg, and here you come along, i bet they dont think that is fun. yes hit the deny duel button, they still can hit you!

4. I thought in D2 rares were already end game? and now we don't want crafting either? I don't know about you guys but all my chars were decked out in rares. Druid pelts, circs, rings, ammys, zon glovs, tri res boots, sorc orbs, and soo many more rares were end game for your char if you could find them but most casuals struggled with the easy stuff cause they were to lazy to magic find on there own. They sat in Baal runs leaching whining about how they didnt get any drops. This is more an issue with the apparently forgetful community.

They havent even said anything about crafting yet, and yeah there alot fo thing people use rare for as end game stuff, but that has nothing to do with anything about why you think d3 sucks! Yeah peopleed leached, and they are going to probally leech in d3 too.

5. I have nothing bad to say about the graphics except wheres all the bodies and gore and guts? I saw a body hanging in a tree, thats it. Don't tell me they just havn't implimented it yet. They dress up everything they release so that it looks awesome for the fans. So odds are, no more scary stuff or they would have showed us some by now knowing that all the true Diablo fans want nothing more.

All i can say is wait in see, they are showing us beginning game content, i bet the more bloody gory stuff will be more toward the end game content. In d2 besides a few rogue bodies here and there, there was not that much death an decay throuhg most of the act. Nevermind, scrath that those fallen are pretty scaryy, quick everyone run from the red midgets. Anyone think these fallen in d2 were distant cousin of the snurfs? even through act 5, you did not see to much of this either, so i would like for you to tell me again how much more scary Diablo 2 was for you, did you have to use a night light?

6. Anyone play God of War? I do and Diablo 3 is looking quite similar in many ways, more similar than opposed to WoW even. Theres too much not to have noticed this, seriously, anyone else notice or am I crazy?!

Yeah the first time i watched the gameplay trailor with the barb i notices some difference, but mostly the creature climbing up the wall. Other than that, not so uch other than the one of the class is a big musculer guy, whihc was in D2, wich was out before God of War. By the way, have you seen the E3 stuff on Good of War III, looks freakin awsome. All i can say IF they cope stuff from other games, who really cares aslong as it is an improvement on an old system. We are not getting Diablo II with better graphics, we are getting Diablo III.

7. Jay Wilson, you suck.

Ooh! clever one liner, how long did it take you to think that one up. Once again, i trust blizzard, they have nothing but amazing games, they do not release crap, and if Jay wilson is employed by him, i have faith he knows what he is doing. You know, no one is ever going to be completely satisified with diablo iii, but i know it going to be an amazing game.

8. Auto-stats are pointless. Fine every end game build ends up being the same if you look up stradegy guides for your character and getting rushed. But if there are no more rushed it would definately be different for everyone because they would allocate to their own playing style. This is just an ignorant reasoning behind the fact they are dumbing down D3 for a bigger audience.

I ahte this one too! not to much of an argument i can make, i also do not like this option, but at the same time, they are adding in other ways we can alter our charecter and how we play with them, so way i figure it, it is one less thing i have to worry about. The new rune system with the skills is going to provide the custominzation you want, and gear will also allocates the sats you want, you still are able to pick your own gear

9. Clearly they sold out the Diablo franchise. Everythings all about co-op now when Diablo always was and has always been competitive. Whos better, got better items, and whos gonna kill this first. If you didnt like that you had the option to do it with friends or on your own or anyone else who liked it like that and other people had the option to be as competitive and ruthless as we pleased. But no we have to make Sanctuary a better place for all to enjoy! So now only fun loving, co-op care bear boys can play here, no options! At this rate Diablos fate is going to end in the same way as WoW when D3 is released and anyone who can't see that is in serious denial.

Again something I said earlier, they have always ment for diablo to be a co op game, and a game that everyone could play. This is proven by the easy pick up and play system they use. We as players made it competetive, instead of working together and helping people out, we greedy and selfish, not willing to do stuff unless we get something out of it. And you comment "whos better, got better tiems." is so wrong. All the people out ther using hacks, scamming and hustling, they are not better, they are cheating to get an unfair advantage. I have used both ways, when i used bot and map hack and pick it, i was one rich person, but then cd key got banned and i started to play legit, i am force to actually earn what i get.I have done thousand of MF runs, if i find stuff it nothing but luck even with 750 mf, had nothing to do with the fact if i was better or not.

Also Blizzard selling the diablo franchise out, no i do not think so, i think they are making dessicions based on how they always wanted us to play the game. And please tell me about the death of WOW, it still the number one MMO, it has beet many including WAR (which was nicked name the WOW killer before it was even released, not even 3 months later WOTLK came out and WAr lost over half ther subcriber back to WOW and had to reduce the amount of server, so ther would be a decent population for everyone to play. Diablo will never die, there will always be it hardocre fans.

By the way, i am not in deniel, i just think you have the mind set of an idiot.

10. Because everyone thats too ingnorant to accept these facts, going to call me a troll and flame me to hell because they are the ones ruining the game and are blind to their foul deeds is going to be spreading their douche-baggery all over this game.

Let re-think this one. Is one person wrong or is everyone else. Most times its the larger group that is correct. Hope you have a great day care bear day, i know i will when i get to play d3 when it released.

 

[RogueJuggalo]

Re: Seriously people..

I just wanna add my 2 cents and say that whether D2 was intended to be co-op or not, the game still turned out to be highly competitive.

 

[Drakk]

Re: Seriously people..

Every game is going to be competitive whether or not you intended for it to be co-op or not, because everyone wants to be the best at it. Features like common drops and PKing just made people want to play on their own. The only reasons to play public games are to get rushes, leech exp, grief, steal drops, etc. None of which were intended to be part of the game.

 

[Krugar]

Re: Seriously people..

I just wanna add my 2 cents and say that whether D2 was intended to be co-op or not, the game still turned out to be highly competitive.

Indeed. But because of bad design of certain key elements like drops, unregulated PvP, or the total failure of the co-op features in place for the game (mostly due to bad monster balancing).

That said, it's not that Diablo games don't have a competitive edge to them. But this is mostly to how gamers choose to play the game. Many gamers are highly competitive in nature and will use any means available. Diablo 3 will be no different. Neither should it.

But the good news this time is that the developing team makes it loud and clear they are aware of co-op issues and want to provide a real experience for anyone wanting to experience co-op in a Diablo game. Question is, of course, will they succeed?

I have my money on them.