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[cyradis2003]

*ignores the double post*


*burries Orpheus in carrot cream pies*

:wave:

 

[Bongo Fury]

conner said that the rune was "probably" duped -- he didnt know for sure -- if he did and traded for it anyway, then he is no better than the dupers themselves IMO

i had like 8 or 9 SOJs in .09 -- 4 i found myself, 2 others were inherited when my friend B7 quit (he found those), but the rest i traded for -- the traders involved assured me they wrent dupes and i had no reason to no believe them since they werent known hackers (to me anyway)

can i ever know for a fact?

You made a good faith effort to avoid dupes, and you can honestly claim you believe your SOJs to be legit. I don't think there's anything more that can be asked from a Realms player. Conner on the other hand first claimed he traded for a duped rune:

so I traded for a Sur, duped I'm sure but oh well

Then when I called him on it he tried a little obfuscation:

I used a rune that I didn't know if it was a dupe or not since I did not locate it myself

So what's the truth of the matter? Only Conner knows for sure. But I think it's fairly obvious that he can't make the same claim to be making a good faith effort to remain dupe free like you. Which is quite funny for someone who takes such pleasure in deriding others for their less than legit play.

 

[_OrpheusPrime_]

I'd like to ask you once again, stop trying to justify attacking Conner by repeatedly telling us he once traded for a rune that may or may not have been a dupe. He said it 'probably was' in jest i am sure. You have taken this too far and I suggest you stop before you make more enemies.

 

[Rekoc]

I'd like to ask you once again, stop trying to justify attacking Conner by repeatedly telling us he once traded for a rune that may or may not have been a dupe. He said it 'probably was' in jest i am sure. You have taken this too far and I suggest you stop before you make more enemies.

Well Said. Bongo your telling me you have never once traded for something from someone you do not know? What if they botted it? What if they traded it from someone that did bot? I for one have not traded anyone for anything this season and I probably am not. Why should I trade something I risk my (D2)life for because I play legit so i have to run all around durance lvl 2 and the catacombs when a lot of others just tele straight there or use a program and sleep while they find items? Im keeping my items and when they get banned ill be safe Thats how D2 should be...find your items and keep them. Then that ends all dupeing problems.

 

[ZounceHC]

he can't make the same claim to be making a good faith effort to remain dupe free like you.

If you consider asking a potential trader if their items are duped an "effort to remain dupe free" then you're naive.

Not trading at all is the only way know for sure that you're "dupe free".

At least Connor can accept the fact that 75% ++ of runes Um+, just like 90% of sojs in 1.09, are duped and not try to fool himself by asking someone with a vested interest to lie, if their items are legit.

Common currency such as sojs, 40/15s and godly charms in 1.09 and runes in 1.10 have been prone to duping sprees for a long time. I don't think legit players should have to compensate their playing/trading any further than they do already (ie - avoiding being tainted by Mhers and botters).

 

[turnips]

Like I said before, it's all heresay without any proof. So Connor may have traded for a legit high rune that was found after the dupe by the trader, or it could've been duped. Dupers/Botters/Cheaters suck, but the recent "bot" threads accusing people and all these lame accusations are like the salem witch trials...geez, just calm down. I once traded for a measly 34% viper last season and it disappeared...should I be flamed for not asking whether it was duped or not? How was I to expect that such a common item would be duped, especially one that wasn't perfect stats. After its disappearance I figure in hindsight it was a dupe, but is that my fault? Using some people's logic I shouldn't trade with anyone for anything. Maybe that cracked sash I so dearly wanted is duped...I guess I should snuff that dream out if I want to stay legit.

 

[baalos]

I agree Orpheus. Bongo is just another link in a Troll-Chain that is longer than the wait for Christmas. I tell you what, this Ignore function is uber cool. Ever since I put Mr. You-Know-Who on it yesterday, my blood pressure has been normal! Anytime I see a troll, I just click, click, press ignore.

OMG HAX!

You are making a mistake squelching bongo. Has nothing to do with post count. He made a fair arguement, and he did it softly, imo. Also, he has been here a long time and speaks only when compelled to. You might want to rethink you opinion on him.

 

[Nerf-Herder]

You are making a mistake squelching bongo. Has nothing to do with post count. He made a fair arguement, and he did it softly, imo. Also, he has been here a long time and speaks only when compelled to. You might want to rethink you opinion on him.

hence the first part of my earlier post....

theres a big difference between saying something and actually having somethinf to say

 

[MachineOfaDream]

Quick FYI ... you are painting us all with your dirty brush and I for one do not appreciate it.

There are some of us who play the game as they want to play it - clean. If you want to cheat that is your perogative - just don't come here to justify it.

As I have said before and will prolly say again (I tend to repeat myself):
You play your reality and we will play ours.

I am not a bad person for being honest. If you play D2 in public games and with people you don't know, you will undoubtedly wind up playing with people who use MH. You can choose to segregate yourself from them. You can choose to play only with people you know who don't use MH and spend your time in small games because you are so careful with who you play with. OR you can play the game like most people... In public or private games with tons of people you don't know and just accept that some of them are using MH. if you do this, you're almost just as guilty. By going with the party, you end up taking afvantage of the MH yourself! Blizzard doesn't WANT people to have to seclude themself. They want it to be a game where you play with lots of people. In doing so you end up running into some people who cheat. You end up taking advantage of the MH sometimes. Inadvertently, but it's all the same. The idea is that the game is either ruined or just not being played how it's supposed to. I still find it to be an enjoyable experience. Let's not pretend that we're all saints here though. Just because you give in and accept that people are using the MH doesn't mean you don't want it gone...

Anyway, if you think I'm being a jerk here, I'll just say that the names of a few of my buddies were mentioned in this thread, and most of the stuff said was just heresay. I remained civil about it and didn't get confrontational, so no hard feelings, okay?

 

[MachineOfaDream]

This argument is going nowhere fast, I suggest we stop picking on eachother here and just agree we are all against hacks, in general. Sadly, the best we can do about it is continue to email blizzard about the hacking problems and hope they will one day come to our rescue (more or less).

Till then, PK the hackers when you can, best of luck.

I would love to see the hacks disposed of suddenly one day. The chaos it would bring would be lovely. Nothing I love more than adversity...

 

[ConnerMacleod]

Baalos, I did rethink it. Denied. That was two times he flamed me. I'm not here to get my panties in a wad. Someone says something as rude as that and, well, a SECOND time, I just think I would rather not read than sit and be insulted.

Bad manners too, lurking and not contributing to the hundreds of threads here. And don't say, "But the discussions are terrible". Ok, if they are so bad and not worth contributing to, then why the heck would you come here in the first place? Not only that, but I am a person that believes in defending myself, and things I have done and said in the past get me all knotted up. Best to just ignore it and move on and not have to worry about getting into trouble.

 

[cougar]

Hardly a flame, toughen up.

 

[ConnerMacleod]

Oh I am tough. But I don't put up with childish comments, especially when ZF specifically said no more.

 

[baalos]

I won't deny Bongo's first response wasn't harsh. You did first state you didn't know if the rune was duped, and further you stated you didn't exactly care.

Bongo's second response was about as far away from a flame as you get.

Bongo is a long-time member of this community and about as legit and helpful as anyone can be. You are free to do what you want, including squelshing me, but I think you are wrong on this one.

 

[rachil0]

I have a lot of respect for bongo, regardless of post count. He organized a lot of gat friends games that were a lot of fun to be in.

People that I've never heard of calling Bongo a troll is ignorant.

 

[hc_ugajeremy]

If you play D2 in public games and with people you don't know, you will undoubtedly wind up playing with people who use MH. You can choose to segregate yourself from them.

I agree with this 100%. People are very quick to argue against MH'ers because it destroys the integrity of an online society. Honestly though, unless you leave the instant you think someone is using MH or play solo/100% of the time with folks you know don't MH then you are going to benefit from a party member using it. Key words are 'party member'.

I have been very adamant in the past about hacks and bots and such, and I still have yet to use any of these programs, but I'm no longer playing the role of saint when it comes to preaching to others about THEIR use.

I have felt the ill affects of TPPK and as such I can sympathize with those who get killed for the first time. After that, it seems as if you're entering water you know is infested with sharks. I felt 'bad' when I first died because it had taken away my time, but I also learned from it; about builds and hacks.

The arguements about botters amuses me. I wonder if the creator of this program even plays anymore or ever did. It seems like such a logical transition of progress that I find it ironic. He/she wrote a piece of software that controls your mouse/keyboard and reads packets sent to your own machine. It just reeks of an actual paid job to me. It seems exactly like something we have our programmers do here at work. Obviously pertaining to work, not Diablo.

The only real thing that is threatening Battle.net are the DOS attacks made by the lag dupe.. those are very illegal and I honestly don't see how those aren't fixed yet. That's got to be costing them money in some way at least. Oh well, I've ranted enough.

That's my lunch talk. Cheers.