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Secret US plans for Iraq's oil

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by llad12, Mar 18, 2005.

  1. llad12

    llad12 IncGamers Member

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    Secret US plans for Iraq's oil

    Although I posted this article in the Lebanese thread, it was quickly buried.

    In my opinion, this article is worth another look and discussion:

    BBC

    Over the last two years, opponents of Bush's Iraq war have cried "No Blood for Oil". Over and over again, they were ridiculed by the media, conservative pundits, pro-war supporters, and our administration.

    It appears that the anti-war opponents were not altogether wrong ...

    Juan Cole has some comments.


    There are many things I admire about my country, but this war is not one of them.

    Our soldiers are dying in the sands of Iraq and these imperialistic SOB's were/are plotting on how to build their empire.

    They lied to us time and time again ....

    I find these men and this administration despicable.



    -------

    Tomorrow will mark the second anniversary of the Iraqi war.

    I plan to attend two candlelight vigils. You can find one in your area here

    Pray for Peace ... :(
     
  2. maccool

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    Looks to me like they want to change the state-owned oil fields in Iraq to privately-owned oil fields. We have privately-owned fields in the U.S. (correct me if I'm wrong). The Saudi oil fields are state-owned, well King-owned anyway. No biggie. Well, depending on who ends up owning the Iraqi oil fields. I'd wager the answer won't be Iraqis in anything more than a titular role. Which I suppose is where your goat gets got.

    Besides, this oil is supposed to pay for the reconstruction of Iraq. Or so we were told when the cost of the war came up.
     
  3. palerider

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    It has been every administrations policy for regeim change in Iraq since the first gulf war, That is a well known fact if you just look.

    I wouldnt call Greg Palast, the beeb and Juan Cole unbiased if you just take a look at their websites. It is pretty obvious they are leftist's with an ax to grind.
     
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    Drosselmeier IncGamers Member

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    Well... as has been said on this forum time and time and TIME again, arabs are savages. They don't know what's best for themselves. What other explanation is there for their commie sentiments? People like that should not be bothered with decision making.

    Operation Iraqi Freedom has succeeded. The Iraqis are now rid of the burdens of self-determination and sovereignty. No more cumbersome responsibilities. Whitey's shouldered it, he's on top of things.
     
  5. llad12

    llad12 IncGamers Member

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    So typical ... just what I would have expected from a right winger. Call the article left wing propaganda trash and blow it off.

    The article was from the BBC my friend.

    Juan Cole is a fluent arabic-speaking college prof in Middle Eastern history. In the US, his knowledge of Middle East politics is second to none.

    Jeez ...

    Every article you read is biased my friend ... hell, this statement is biased ... your statements are certainly biased.

    So what? That doesn't make the BBC article false.
     
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    Wow you know alot about me from just having "met" me, you are good!

    Yeah the beeb doesnt have an agenda, nor does the good prof. or Mr.Palast. Just do some basic research first, thats all i ask.

    Google is your friend!
     
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    You're absolutely right. I did a quick google search and found that there is absolutely nothing to this story. Google proved a negative!
     
  8. llad12

    llad12 IncGamers Member

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    Nah, and you don't know me either, do you? ... nor how many articles I have read or posted on this god-forsaken war. Want to do some research on me? Just hit my name and pull up my threads ...

    Surprise!

    The Bush 41 and Clinton administration's "regime change" did not include perpetrating a war on false pretenses, invading and occupying Iraq, and forcing democracy down their throats by a barrel of a gun. It did not inlcude installing Viceroy Bremer who's edicts are currently strangling that country. It did not include appointing Allawai as PM. A thug and assassain if there ever was one. It did not include flattening Fallujah ... or making hundreds of thousands homeless ... it did not include the thousands of dead, innocent Iraqi civilians killed or maimed by our hands.

    It did not include privitizing their oil reserves ... for the benefit of our country.

    Do your own research ...
     
  9. maccool

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    This Aljibary cat was saying something different on on 24 April, 2003. Since it's 3 paragraphs, I'll paraphrase: Iraq's oil belongs to the people of Iraq. Being inherently distrusting of all government, I like to think he was lying.

    linky Damn those commies at PBS!
     
  10. palerider

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    Here i will do your job for you. A lil primer on the beeb.

    http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=lang_en&q=BBC+bias&btnG=Search

    Only the current Bush had the cajone's to go after saddam, because of a percieved threat after 9-11. Now we can argue wmd's, no wmd's and links to osama, no links to osama all day if you like, but thats a dead horse.

    Why dont you go ask the Iraqi's with the indelable ink on their fingers what they think of having "democracy forced on them" and get back to me.
     
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    Incredible. Did you actually read any of those pages off the link before posting it? If they are to be believe, the BBC is biased against everyone. Which surely means their actually biased against no one...

    I especially liked the first link, claiming BBC bias for the Labour party. Considering the special relationship between Blair and Bush, wouldn't the BBC be trying to hush up any potentially damaging stories on Bush?
     
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    Yeah the beeb is a work isnt it!

    If you actually visit some of the websites and reead what they have to say, with all the nice references, its quite enlightening.
     
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    Everyone, go home now, palerider is correct. News media is biased. End of story. So nothing you hear anywhere but from your government contains a kernel of truth, its just all a liberal/commie conspiracy to drum up rancor towards freedom, democracy, and the good ol' US of A. Damn them commies.

    By the way, palerider, try doing some research and figuring out how to spell words if you're going to use foreign languages in your posts. Cajones are desk drawers, and unless you were making a very obscure and twisted reference to bureaucracy by saying something about having a lot of drawers like a bureau, you missed the mark, my friend.

    I wonder when someone's going to grow a pair and finally take out that savage in North Korea. And that bastard in China. How bout that damned commie down in Cuba imprisoning journalists? Or the son of a ***** in Venezuela denying the US access to its oil (oh, wait, nevermind, he just changed his mind and wants to export oil to the US again...must be that whole $57/barrel). Tis a shame no one is man enough to take them all on and make the world a better place.

    /end sarcasm

    While I find this disconcerting, its truly not terribly surprising to me. Having worked close to this here in DC (besides the fact that my father is an oil exec at a major multi-national, I interned for 6 months at CSIS and know Bob Ebel from my time there, as well as dozens of other DC-area "oil people" and have heard a lot of the back-room discussion about the war.

    What I find most saddening, however, is the fact that I'm not surprised, shocked, outraged, or somehow in denial (as a lot of the cons seem to be). It is what it is, and frankly fits right in with our nation's history. Panama canal, anyone? How about the Spanish-American war? Remember the Maine! Remember 9/11! Any similarities? If anything we're just reapplying manifest destiny on a global scale. After all, the world has shrunk with globalization, why not reapply manifest destiny to a smaller world by ignoring the whole hemispheric clause?

    Does anyone honestly think that the US will change its modus operandi? I certainly don't, and I'm not sure whether or not to be ashamed of that or resigned to the fact. Can we be a superpower without the "bull-in-a-china-shop" tactics? The cons sure don't seem to think so. *sigh* Maybe I'm resigning to the dark side.
     
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    How about this one?

    SF Gate

    Privitization means that any country, corporation or entity could own and/or control the oil reserves of Iraq. Many of the NeoCons wanted to have someone like Chalabi or Allawai running the country. Why? These "gentlemen" were known sympathizers to the US and would potentially kowtow to any demands we might make. As such, they might lease their subsurface mineral rights to outside firms and retain only a royalty.

    It is likely that if such cirucumstances came to pass ... Iraq's massive oil wealth would be potentially in control of outside/foreign sources.
     
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    I just have to post this pic from Raed in the Middle of a rather upset Iranian response:

    Purple finger

    :p
     
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    Palerider, dont worry..most of the rest of these people in here hate Bush and everything he stands for. As for them liking America...who knows. But argueing with them is like argueing with a room full of libs....oh wait, nevermind.;)

    *waves at the rest of the room, and recruits palerider into the silent majority*

    hehe sry guys..this usual attack on someone FOR America and Bush just made me write something like this. Wheres Anne and a few others..they should be along any time now. LOL
     
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    Don't you people ever get tired of this whole Con vs. Lib debate? It's the same thing every time, and it's becoming especially redundant in the "Insert War Atrocity Here" threads that are constantly at the front page. Apparently Micheal Moore and Bill O'Reilly are the only places that people can possibly get their political opinions from.
     
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    Please remain silent, then.

    As has been said on this forum time and time and TIME again, arabs are savages. They don't know what's best for themselves. What other explanation is there for their commie sentiments? People like that should not be bothered with decision making.

    Operation Iraqi Freedom has succeeded. The Iraqis are now rid of the burdens of self-determination and sovereignty. No more cumbersome responsibilities. Whitey's shouldered it, he's on top of things.
     
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    Oh didnt you hear? The Silent Majority has risen.. like a 80 yrs old man living in Pheniox, taking viagra as tic-tacs....they have arisen. :)
     
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    Oh man... I typed out a long partly coherent post about how you're the reason people hate america. Towards the end I thought to myself "he won't get it, what's the point", and I deleted it.

    You are the problem CyberHawk. You do more damage to your country than bin Laden ever could. You, Hellfire, PublicEnemy and people like you.
     

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