Saddam's Secret catalog

Necrolestes

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Saddam's Secret catalog

Saddam's Secret catalogue

All I would like to know is what idiot allowed these pictures to be distributed in the first place. He's a war criminal, but that doesn't mean that people should stoop to his level by using photos to degrade him (well, degrade what's left of his humanity anyway). The US government has rightly denounced this publication in the Sun but someone in our government had to know about this as these pictures were taken while Saddam was in our custody.
 

txmielnik

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I really don't see any point in releasing these phoot's to the press. Even the government has idoits working for them, and i though it was only fast food resturants.
 

bigD72

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txmielnik said:
I really don't see any point in releasing these phoot's to the press. Even the government has idoits working for them, and i though it was only fast food resturants.
Do you mean to say governments have non-idiots working for them?
 

jmervyn

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I don't care much about embarrassing the Arab sensibilities; those offended by the pics are less allies than enemies. However, these are likely to be violations of Geneva Conventions, and are certainly not worth much propaganda value - pics of the Al Quaeda types in shackles would be much more devastating to the terrorists' morale.

I find it highly unlikely that anyone would have made a policy decision to release them - but I wonder what the result will be if they found out that a Western civilian obtained and leaked them. Do we go after a photo-journalist for war crimes?
 

jimmyboy

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Sadam is suppose to be in a top secret jail where only personel with the highest clearance is allowed.

So much for top secret and clearance.

Wonder how much the photos sold for.
 

jimmyboy

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jmervyn said:
I don't care much about embarrassing the Arab sensibilities; those offended by the pics are less allies than enemies. However, these are likely to be violations of Geneva Conventions, and are certainly not worth much propaganda value - pics of the Al Quaeda types in shackles would be much more devastating to the terrorists' morale.

I find it highly unlikely that anyone would have made a policy decision to release them - but I wonder what the result will be if they found out that a Western civilian obtained and leaked them. Do we go after a photo-journalist for war crimes?
Isn't it more likely an inside job? I can't imagine a photo journalist penetrating the security let alone finding out where Sadam was held.
 

Necrolestes

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Freeze frame

It was almost certainly an inside job. Some "ambitious" soldier/commander took it into his/her head to take the photos and realizing that the papers, in particular the tabloids, would pay through the nose for them.
 

Freemason

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~waiting for llad to decry the US for it's war crimes, again~

Looks like another idiot(s) didn't learn the lessons from Abu Ghrab. You don't take photos that will give the anti-americans (i.e. mainstream media) more ammo to use in their 5th column activites.

I sure hope to hell the scumbag(s) that took and released the photos get to take a very long vacation at club Ft. Leavenworth courtesy of Uncle Sam.
 

llad12

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Freemason said:
~waiting for llad to decry the US for it's war crimes, again
Impeach Bush! ... Impeach Bush! ... Louder and with more conviction!

Impeach Bush! ... Impeach Bush! ...

:p


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Actually Smeg, I am more concerned about this story:

The prisoner, a slight, 22-year-old taxi driver known only as Dilawar, was hauled from his cell at the detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, at around 2 a.m. to answer questions about a rocket attack on an American base. When he arrived in the interrogation room, an interpreter who was present said, his legs were bouncing uncontrollably in the plastic chair and his hands were numb. He had been chained by the wrists to the top of his cell for much of the previous four days.

Mr. Dilawar asked for a drink of water, and one of the two interrogators, Specialist Joshua R. Claus, 21, picked up a large plastic bottle. But first he punched a hole in the bottom, the interpreter said, so as the prisoner fumbled weakly with the cap, the water poured out over his orange prison scrubs. The soldier then grabbed the bottle back and began squirting the water forcefully into Mr. Dilawar's face.

"Come on, drink!" the interpreter said Specialist Claus had shouted, as the prisoner gagged on the spray. "Drink!"

At the interrogators' behest, a guard tried to force the young man to his knees. But his legs, which had been pummeled by guards for several days, could no longer bend. An interrogator told Mr. Dilawar that he could see a doctor after they finished with him. When he was finally sent back to his cell, though, the guards were instructed only to chain the prisoner back to the ceiling.

"Leave him up," one of the guards quoted Specialist Claus as saying.

Several hours passed before an emergency room doctor finally saw Mr. Dilawar. By then he was dead, his body beginning to stiffen. It would be many months before Army investigators learned a final horrific detail: Most of the interrogators had believed Mr. Dilawar was an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.
NY TIMES


... And this

Afghanistan’s Karzai ‘shocked’ by abuse report

Ties tested ahead of Afghan leader’s visit to Washington

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]KABUL, Afghanistan - Hours before flying to Washington for talks with President Bush, Afghan leader Hamid Karzai demanded greater control Saturday over American military operations in his country and called for vigorous punishment of any U.S. troops who mistreat prisoners. [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]He also said he wants the United States to hand over all Afghan prisoners still in U.S. custody.[/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In a volatile southern province, meanwhile, a U.S. soldier was killed and three were wounded in the latest in a string of attacks launched by loyalists of the ousted Taliban regime.[/font]
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MSNBC

...And this

Army Faltered in Investigating Detainee Abuse

Despite autopsy findings of homicide and statements by soldiers that two prisoners died after being struck by guards at an American military detention center in Bagram, Afghanistan, Army investigators initially recommended closing the case without bringing any criminal charges, documents and interviews show.

Within days after the two deaths in December 2002, military coroners determined that both had been caused by "blunt force trauma" to the legs. Soon after, soldiers and others at Bagram told the investigators that military guards had repeatedly struck both men in the thighs while they were shackled and that one had also been mistreated by military interrogators.

Nonetheless, agents of the Army's Criminal Investigation Command reported to their superiors that they could not clearly determine who was responsible for the detainees' injuries, military officials said. Military lawyers at Bagram took the same position, according to confidential documents from the investigation obtained by The New York Times.
NY Times


...than I am the consequence of any photos released of Saddam in captivity.

Although I understand that the release of such photos of Saddam are against the rules of the Geneva Convention and I certainly do not condone such information being distributed, I find them far less of an issue than the torture and deaths of prisoners by the US military in Afghanistan ... compounded by an initial attempt to whitewash such crimes.

The people of the Middle East will not take kindly to such heinious, barbaric acts perpetrated upon their citizens ... and such incidents will, undoubtably, further setback our legitimacy and this administration's quest to win the "hearts and minds" of the people within this overall region for some time to come.
 

Necrolestes

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Time for Terrortubbies!

What I find most astonishing (well, actually, I don't, considering the source) is that Bush claims that this won't incite more unrest in the Middle East. He may have a point: it's pretty riled up already.
 

Namyeknom

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While the Geneva Convention does have its 'public curiosity' clause, it also has an 'all prisoners shall be provided with underwear' clause as well. So at least we know most of its being adhered to... :D
 

dirkdig

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Any country that signed the geneva conventions can now sue us, great.

And I'm tired of these idiots with no brains over there that torture the Irai prisoners. I know it's the minority, but come on... this is exactly what causes us to lose this fight, there's a right way and a wrong way, and guess which avenue we're taking... why is this crap being allowed? As much as I hate to quote Duped, why is everyone else present at these 'tacitly' consenting by allowing it to happen? I understand the brotherhood aspect, but I'd stop my brother from doing that by force if necessary... certain things I feel are more important...
 

jmervyn

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jimmyboy said:
Isn't it more likely an inside job? I can't imagine a photo journalist penetrating the security let alone finding out where Sadam was held.
You misunderestimate, er, misunderstood what I meant...
Sure the photo itself was taken by someone with authorization, but what I mean is, do we go after the publisher for some sort of war crime, since they obtained the photo in some unauthorized manner? Seems pretty overboard - I suspect it will be dropped.
 
Necrolestes said:
What I find most astonishing (well, actually, I don't, considering the source) is that Bush claims that this won't incite more unrest in the Middle East. He may have a point: it's pretty riled up already.
What gets me about his comments--he says that he doesn't believe that photos is what's causing these people to go out and kill, it's their extreme religion.

But wait, weren't we just arguing a few days ago that it was in fact a Newsweek article that had these people foaming at the mouth murdering people? Hrm...not sure I follow...
 
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