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  1. Lynchgrinch

    Lynchgrinch Diabloii.Net Member

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    Hi guys,

    Long story short, LK has been very good to me recently...to the tune of 2xBer and 2xLo.

    So, do I make:

    A) Infinity (no Eth base) and 2xGrief (phase blades).

    B) Infinity (no Eth Base), Grief (phase blade) and Fortitude (Eth bugged Helforge plate)

    C) Save runes, hope for another Ber, and make Enigma.

    D) 2x Chains of Honour and some combination of griefs/fortitude

    E) other good runewords im not considering

    Is Infinity even worth it in a non Eth Elite Polearm? Should I wait for a better fortitude base?

    Advice much appreciated:)
     
  2. Neksja

    Neksja Diabloii.Net Member

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    Infinity. How I see it, there are two options. Either Ethereal Elite base for your Merc to equip or Non-eth low requirement base for you to equip. Personally, I'd go with Ethereal Elite base first, since the number of builds equipping the Infinity themself are very limited, especially when compared to the number of builds who benefit from Infinity on a Merc.

    If you ask me, I'd choose option F) where you save the runes until you find an elite ethereal base for Infinity, and then weigh in what other runes you've found while hunting for that elusive polearm. It might take you three Pit runs or 300 runs, so might as well wait until you are at that point and figure rest of it out. Who knows, maybe you've found a Zod and a Jah at that point and you want to make Grief, BotD and Faith for A1 Merc and make some crazy ass WW-Barbarian (no idea if those three RWs are even useful for barb :p)

    Do you have any specific builds planned or built already that would specifically benefit from any of the above runewords? For example, I'd only make 2x Grief if you are planning/have a barb who you intend to have Dual Griefs, otherwise, one should suffice for now and then make a Fortitude (non-eth or eth, depending on your characters/plans).

    Don't count out Beast. Never had one, but plenty of people say it's a good runeword and with +1 Werebear, you can make tons of fun builds like Bearsorc. On my "to-make" -list of runewords, but just haven't pulled the trigger yet.
     
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    Gripphon Diabloii.Net Member

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    If you plan on putting some hours into running cows for RFL round 3, then I wouldn't rush to make anything just yet since you might likely farm some more.

    What runewords are more profitable to make depends on:
    - what characters are you looking forward to play
    - what areas are you gonna run with more dedication in the future
    - weighting the benefit of every single runeword individually

    While I can't answer the first two points, I can help with a third point.

    2x Grief - like Neksja say, if you really look forward to play barb, make two of those. If not, then second is pretty much a waste if you don't have Fortitude yet. This is easily decided since only you know will you play barb more in the future or not really.

    Eth Fortitude - ONLY if you have non-eth first, this is general rule for every eth armor out there. First make one for your character, then make something that will make merc 2% stronger (which eth variant exactly does, its not like you will feel ANY difference with it).

    Infinity (non-eth base) - since cows are ahead, chances are you will find eth base there for Infinity, so why waste runes before it? Rather nail cows first (javazon does not need Infinity to do it efficiently), and then see did you find something or not.

    2x CoH - first non-eth CoH I can understand, but making 2 of them before having Infinity or Enigma is a HUGE waste of a Ber rune. For what, for merc to have that extra 2k defense you won't even feel difference about? Either make 1x CoH now and save second Ber rune for much more useful runewords, or don't make CoH at all now. Remember, CoH is only a temporary solution and is not a game changer for any character out there. It makes difference only if it is made among first things. If you will make Fortitude or already have it, making CoH is pretty meaningless solution alltogether since it profits literally no character except travincal sorc, and for her Vipermagi is just as good as CoH is. In fact for her you want Infinity.

    Enigma - since you are only a Ber rune away, I'd seriously consider to make this first. Hey, you can nail LK for those 2 Sur runes to make runeword that will make so many characters viable and efficient I don't even have to start to describe. This is endgame solution and no other runeword changes the game as much as Enigma does. In LK at average it takes around 1300 runs to either get Ber or cube it from Sur runes. I think that is worth the time to make such OP runeword instead of using runes on something like CoH that will just postpone this real game changer.

    Infinity vs Enigma - it completely depends on what characters are you gonna play a lot. Infinity is for elemental builds obviously to make them more powerful (say, by 20% approximately), while Enigma makes plenty of characters two times as powerful and fast. So, Enigma offers much higher upgrade than Infinity ever could, but if you don't plan on playing characters who do profit most from Enigma, then Infinity is the way to go. Only you can answer this since only you know what characters you prefer to play. It also depends on a playing style. There are players who are annoyed by teleporting playing style and don't appreciate Enigma (while most really do).
     
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    mir Diabloii.Net Member

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    Well….I must answer with questions


    1. You prefer melee or casters?

    2. You plan to use infinity yourself in the near future?

    3. You would like to enter PvP games in the near future?

    4. Have you any non-eth versions/other bases already?

    I personally would go for diversity and make infinity, grief and fortitude to open options for different build to keep my interest in the game.

    If you going for 2xGrief swords, consider making one in a 2-h sword for future usage as act5 merc weapon.
     
  5. Gripphon

    Gripphon Diabloii.Net Member

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    @mir

    Not exactly sure why is question number 3) about Enigma so related to PvP. While it is godly PvP armor, it is also the same kind of armor for PvM for plenty of builds - without which you cannot ever hope to come close to what some builds using Enigma can accomplish. It is true for pretty much all the barbs, all non-shifter druids, hammerdin (I would add zealer too) and all the necromancer variants. I would add plenty of assassin variants as well even if they do have BoS, having teleport to position yourself AND merc is just too good to skip even for them.
     
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    Make Grief+Forti with your Lo runes, save Bers for Enigma. Infinity is nice, but unless you only play sorcs not worth it before Enigma. Eth base for Infinity. By the time you're going to make those obscure builds that use it rather then mercs you'll have plenty of Bers to spare.
     
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    Just to be clear, you absolutely don't want make Infinity in non-eth base before making it in an eth one.

    Regarding Infinity vs Enigma, Gripphon basically said it all regarding which to make first. Personally I actually made Infinity first, because I just love Java and Sorcs. But after making Enigma afterwards, and how suddenly makes soooo many different classes and builds viable and effective, I think I'd recommend making Enigma first in hindsight.
     
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    Korlic Diabloii.Net Member

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    If you play sorcs a lot = Infinity
    If you play other chars more = Enigma
    If MF is more important than RF = Enigma

    Overall Enigma > Infinity IMO.
     
  9. Lynchgrinch

    Lynchgrinch Diabloii.Net Member

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    Thanks for all the advice, everyone :)

    Still not decided for sure but I'm leaning towards:

    Infinity, non eth Fortitude, 2-hander Grief.

    When I get another Lo, I'll make a second Grief in a Phase blade.

    Enigma sounds awesome but i've not got any builds that I REALLY want to try it out on just yet. Maybe when I get my fishymancer/Windy/Barb up a few levels I can plonk Enigma on them and have fun, but for now Infinity will really help me run cows with my Javazon for RFL Round 3. I'm still missing a few top end S/U items as i'm on Grail -140, I'd need these to make certain characters viable even with Enigma.
     
  10. krischan

    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    I would definitely not make Grief in a two-hander! Make the first in a phase blade!

    For a two-hander, you will deal more damage with a good Oath roll, a runeword which involves just a Mal rune. OK, you will have no ITD, but you are usually fighting bosses to get the good stuff and ITD doesn't work against them anyway. Oath also has 10-20% more IAS.

    I suggest to make it in a phase blade as well ;). There are several builds with Grief at the top end of their wish list.

    Enigma might become useful if you have the gear for a non-sorceress which would be better than a blizzard sorc in the Tunnels or versus Pindleskin while wearing at least the same amount of MF gear. It's not all about effectivity, however.

    Edit: Typo
     
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    ffs Diabloii.Net Member

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    I agree, making Grief in 2 hander is a bad idea. It actually rather cancels out the sick (absolute) addition to weapon damage, any high ed% is much better on 2h weapons.

    As far as the exact order goes, maybe some recent lessons learned from my side will help, since I've only built all that stuff in the last 5-6 months and made a few mistakes as well. ;)

    Regarding Lo I think it's pretty straight forward :) no regrets here: Grief PB -> Fortitude (non-eth) -> Grief PB #2 (WW Barb) -> ebug Fortitude. After that it's whatever.

    Another important question is also when to go for CtA if considering cubing. I think I made that after the first Fortitude (didn't cube any Ohm/Lo though IIRC, but just to keep in mind).

    Regarding Ber (and Jah) I went Infinity -> CoH -> Enigma -> other stuff like Faith and Beast. I didn't regret making Infinity first, since it's the single most drastic damage amplification for quite a few builds. But I did regret making CoH before Enigma, in hindsight that is just so lol... And I had to wait quite some time for that Jah to make Enigma after. I was just playing a lot of Sorcs at that point in time so CoH looked good, but it's just a "slightly better Viper's", whereas Enigma turns Diablo 2 into an entirely new game. Impossible to overstate this! Bad thing is merely it makes so many builds good and fun to play, you've got your work cut out for you to gear all these. ;) Anyway I'd make Enigma first if I had to start over.
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    That's the order in which I did it. I think I made another noneth Fortitude before, but when I got 4 sockets into a pretty good ethereal sacred armor via the cube recipe, it was due :)

    In my opinion, CtA isn't really needed for item finding, except it's about hardcore. It's useful if you want to reach a very high level, so you won't lose that many XP from dying. Otherwise, you can simply endure a certain amount of these unfortunate events, it won't affect your income.

    On the other hand, it's more satisfying if your characters die less and getting the CtA runes isn't that hard as well. If the second weapon slot is free, why not?
     
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    Lynchgrinch Diabloii.Net Member

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    Wew, lots of replies!

    Regarding CtA, I've already got one :) It's working wonders on my Blizzy and Javazon, no regrets there.

    Ah, okay so putting grief in a Colossus Blade isn't worth it? Hmmmm. No harm done. I've been super lucky with 5os phase blades recently. I've got 4 now. 3 dropped within a few days of each other. Still no eth 4os polearm base.

    I'll probably go for 1x Grief phase blade and a non-eth fortitude just now. If I find another Ber or a Jah before I find an Infinity base, I'll make Enigma but otherwise I'm pretty keen to get that hurty stick!
     
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    darkstarhub Diabloii.Net Member

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    I would for sure make the Grief in a Phase Blade. Back when I made a Frenzy Barb the plan was to have dual Grief Phase Blades, but I made a Lawbringer for the other side and just stuck with it because of the Sanctuary Aura and CTC Decrepify came in very handy.
     
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    From my old post on a similar subject:

     
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    Lynchgrinch Diabloii.Net Member

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    Thanks everyone!
    For those of you who care, this is what I (or Rather @Neksja) rolled :)

    Grief
    Phase Blade
    EthTirLoMalRal
    One Hand Damage: 31 - 35
    Indestructible
    Required Level: 59
    Required Strength: 25
    Required Dexterity: 136
    Fingerprint: 0x26e36268
    Item Level: 85
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    35% Chance to cast level 15 Venom on striking
    +40% Increased Attack Speed
    Damage +376
    Ignore Target's Defense
    -25% Target Defense
    +140% Damage to Demons (Based on Character Level)
    Adds 5 - 30 Fire Damage
    -22% to Enemy Poison Resistance
    20% Deadly Strike
    Prevent Monster Heal
    +2 to Mana after each Kill
    +11 Life after each Kill
    5 Sockets (5 used)
    Socketed: Eth Rune
    Socketed: Tir Rune
    Socketed: Lo Rune
    Socketed: Mal Rune
    Socketed: Ral Rune

    Fortitude
    Balrog Skin
    ElSolDolLo
    Defense: 1521
    Durability: 25 of 30
    Required Level: 59
    Required Strength: 165
    Fingerprint: 0x848e8d3c
    Item Level: 86
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    20% Chance to cast level 15 Chilling Armor when struck
    +25% Faster Cast Rate
    300% Enhanced Damage
    +200% Enhanced Defense
    +15 Defense
    +136 to Life (Based on Character Level)
    Replenish Life +7
    +5% to Maximum Lightning Resist
    All Resistances +27
    Damage Reduced by 7
    12% Damage Taken Goes To Mana
    +1 to Light Radius
    4 Sockets (4 used)
    Socketed: El Rune
    Socketed: Sol Rune
    Socketed: Dol Rune
    Socketed: Lo Rune


    Very happy with the Grief...Fortitude could have been in a better base but i'm still happy as larry!

    The search for the perfect Infinity base/Jah or Ber continues!
     
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    Neksja Diabloii.Net Member

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    That Grief, I most certainly did not consider pulling a fast one on you with that one. No sir, absolutely did not...
     
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    Lynchgrinch Diabloii.Net Member

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    Can't say i would have blamed you @Neksja! Almost would have been worth the repercussions!
     
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    Grief PB is the gift that keeps on giving :D
     
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    Lynchgrinch Diabloii.Net Member

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    Only 30 more levels until my Zealot can use it :p LOL
     

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