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Rune Cubing?

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by Huplet, Apr 14, 2008.

  1. Huplet

    Huplet Banned

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    Rune Cubing?

    I was reading over the cube recipes with regard to runes, and I had an idea.

    If I were to cube two HRs acquired in trade to make another HR, would the resultant HR be perm, legit, nonpoofable?

    I play on non-ladder, and accordingly, most runes I trade for will accordingly be duped.

    Many thanks in advance,

    Huplet
     
  2. mephiztophelez

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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    it would be "perm" and non-poofable to the passive ruststorm, but a full-ruststorm would pop it IF one of the runes used was a dupe.

    for a start, ladder or non-ladder pretty much every HR you're offered in trade can safely be considered a dupe.

    you should also re-read your cube-upgrade formulae.

    the highest you can cube up too on NL is a Dol rune (3x Shael + chipped ruby). to cube Hel and above, you need to be on Ladder.

    as a side note, i cubed up a LOT of runes last ladder. mostly Gul runes (i was getting a Gul for a d-key pretty consistently there for a while).



     
  3. Huplet

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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    Too much information =( Oh well.

    I figured someone else would have seen that.

    On a side note: It seems like a decent way to cut down on the number of duped runes. From a Blizzard standpoint, why wouldn't they allow it?


     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    maybe since it would encourage people to dupe more so they can cube more and have non-poofable HRs?
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    As if dupers needed a reason to dupe.
    You're also thinking like a non-duper. You see when you're a duper, you really only need 1 of anything.

    @mephiztophelez: I'm curious where you get your info about the full rust storm.
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    mostly from reading posts made by code-diggers at The Amazon Basin and from knowledgable types at the Barons Bazaar and the occasional post on the D2GD on the bnet forums.

    the full rusty has only ever been run once to my knowledge, august of 2004 iirc.



     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    I wonder why they didn't run another full ruststorm since 2004 :scratch: ?
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    Maybe it doesn't work right anymore. I'd love to see every dupe vanish, but there's still all the tainted "legit" items found using duped equipment. There's no way they could fix that.
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    i've heard it wasn't 100% successful and i iirc, it actually deleted some items it shouldn't have.

    it DID however get rid of all the Ith weapons, White and Occulus rings however.

    unfortunatly, it missed the wizgloves on west.....
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    Well, I don't like duping but I must agree it has the effect of making the game democratic: with a couple of p.gems, anyone can get all the cool items, not just those who play 24/7.
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    That's not "democratic", that's a broken economy. Would it be democratic if everyone could print off their own £20 notes?

    However, I'm not convinced that the HR economy sans dupes would be a much more enjoyable place - I think HRs are absurdly rare given how many items they can be used to create, and they should either drop more often or there should be less runewords that use them (Last Wish, for instance, is incitement to duping in my mind). Without dupes, 99% of D2 players would never own a runeword; I know that many here have found 1, and a few lucky souls have found more than that, but some have played for years and found none, and the people I meet on the realms never seem to have found above an ist. I think locking that much of the game off to that many people is kind of silly.
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    1. Wrong analogy. Diablo 2 is an infinite resource economy with a celling. Real world is NOT. The correct analogy in real life is having everybody have enough food/shelter to prosper. That certainly is democratic.

    2. Totally agree. The top items should be more common. If runes stopped at Gul, everybody would be happy without any need for dupes.



     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    To your first point, a democratic society is one in which all members have an equal voice in how goods are distributed. While food/shelter and properity lend themselves well to this idiom, they aren't a requisite. A society in which there is a base level of quality of living, or distribution of goods or currency, is a socialist society.

    On your second point I couldn't agree more. The balance issues in this game, while greatly improved from 1.09, have shifted more to the PvM aspect. Maybe they'll try again.


     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    I think that a significant portion of the frustration people have with duping is that the online shops are the ones profiting from it, when they've done nothing but cheat at a game. Perhaps a more pertinent analogy is that all the most nutritious food/comfortable shelter is available exclusively from black market traders who didn't have any part in their production.


     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    Both real world and D2 SHOULD require a lot of work to obtain the best "items". Neither place would be very exciting if every lazy person had as much resources as the hard working ones.

    About Last Wish, I agree. 5 HRs is indeed encouraging duping, and it's not even that powerful. But the other HR runewords are OK in my opinion. It's not like you HAVE to have them in order to enjoy the game. Heck, the game would be more enjoyable if it encouraged party play more. Stuff like autoauras and oskills should IMHO be single-player only runewords.
     
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    Re: Rune Cubing?

    haha singleplayer - only Rune words. i liked that.
     

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