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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by BobCox2, Jul 14, 2012.

  1. jmervyn

    jmervyn Diabloii.Net Member

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    Well, it's a little more involved than that. The ownership isn't Liberal-Progressive, but the claims made from Europeans about the right wing nature of the U.S. media centre around Republican ownership elements and ignore management.
    That's why (in another thread) I assert that the GOP needs to freeze out the mainstream media and let the feckers starve. They'll wail and shout about how unfair it is (Bush never cut the NYT off, and Pinch was practising open sedition), but when they start having to pay FOX for footage they'll knock off the partisan sandbagging toot suite.
    Why not? Furthermore, why are universities untaxed? The original reason was that they were teaching clergy, but what excuse do they have now?
    It won't, and that's because of what I stated earlier about the corrupt nature of the media.
    As THE WON states, he believes in redistribution. The difference is, he believes in doing it at the point of a gun. So your idea only works when there's not punitive taxation already in play.
    Ya know, it stuns me that Lefitsts don't recognize Rush is a comedian. The only way I can imagine someone being so stupid to not "get" that is to fail basic research. Like when The Onion is cited as if it's not parody.
    I'm not fast enough for Twitter, but that's where all the cool conservatives hang out now.

    "The president’s social-media experts have had a tough time of it lately. Whenever they come up with a great Twitter hashtag that they think is going to change the conversation — #IStandWithObama, #LowerUnderObama, #ILikeObamacare, etc. — those meddling teabaggers ruin it. They use those hashtags to mock and deride Obama, instead of worshipping him as is his due. They’re mean!"
     
  2. LozHinge the Unhinged

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    Perhaps it's a (right-or-wrong) logic trail. The US is right-wing compared to most EU nations (or is perceived that way) and the natural assumption is the the right-wing party owns the right-wing media - in the same way that the media is owned by the right-wing in Europe (well, the UK, certainly). It's based upon assumptions (and may either be right or wrong).

    This idea tickles me all to hell. You may implement it immediately, Merv.

    I know the answer to this one!

    Leave Universities untaxed and tax church building - because education looks forwards, to the future growth and development of society, whereas religions look backwards, to the primitive roots of that society.

    What did I win?

    Wait. What?

    The Onion is not a definitive news source? Those bastards.

    Twitter as a tool for defining the best leadership candidate. :scratchchin: I like it :nod:

    May the biggest Twit win! :yes:
     
  3. BobCox2

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    I think that when Liberal Jewish Americans gets too "Israeli" oriented, they do a lot of interesting things that can be perceived as ultra-neoconservative.

    It's an interesting balancing act of loyalty for them.
     
  5. jmervyn

    jmervyn Diabloii.Net Member

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    As a Brit, are you unaware of this martial-tinged Americanism: "You know what happens when you ASSUME?"
    I have another one that's even better: all Middle Eastern aid from the U.S. will be passed out by Israel.

    EDIT: I can't claim original thought on either concept...
    Universities? Forward looking? Sorry, you don't win anything for a wrong answer. :smug:
    It's a better idea than you might think.
    You'd be wrong about that...
    [​IMG] Foreign Policy Pres. @AceofSpadesHQ

    Here it is: Remember those things you USED to say, 20 years ago? That the 1st Amendment exists precisely to protect controversial speech?

    That noncontroversial, non-discomfiting speech needs no protection? "Have a nice day" needs no protection? But "God is Dead" does?


    That the genius of America is permitting everyone to say what they will and leaving it to the wisdom of humanity to find the truth?


    Remember how you used to quote Brandeis, or was it Holmes, that "of course it's an incitement -- every idea is an incitement"?


    Well I don't know if you guys have forgotten that stuff, or never really believed it in the first place.


    But some of us, I guess now almost entirely on the right, do believe it. Some of us actually DIDN'T believe it, but you convinced us.

    So you, 20 years ago, convinced some of US that it was in fact the most discomfiting speech which required the First Amendment.

    So here we are, 20 years later, to remind you of the things you used to say, and used to believe.

    I see we have evolved in different directions. I hope you're as happy with your current evolution as we are with ours.






    I think many of them aren't really torn. There's a decent piece somewhere about the Liberal j00z being predominately atheistic; I'll see if I can't find it.
     
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  6. BobCox2

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    BobCox2 Diabloii.Net Member

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    But I found all the references here.

    You can't hide the truth.

    P.S. did you get the Dog Carrier ?
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    OK, you caught me, I made that up. But you knew that :p.

    But why do you need to make a study to find that out. Wouldn't it just need a look into the budget? I wouldn't call the numbers unplausible, however. 60 billions on social welfare means $50 per citizen, that's not really much.
     
  10. jmervyn

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    No, but you can torture statistics until they'll say anything... like that the U.S. spends more on corporate welfare than on individuals' welfare. They're essentially different concepts as well as completely different components; the most obvious and laughable fallacy is that tax breaks are counted as "welfare" for corporations but not for individuals. Since they also have completely different effects, the claim is about as worthless as claiming that we should nuke the Moon because of the danger it represents.


    [​IMG]

    Or that Romney is so clueless that he thinks jets need roll-down windows.

    EDIT - and that's not even considering other "handouts" at the individual level.

    The hyperbolic B.S. in your link aside, the CATO study is pretty impressive/disgusting. I've read a couple of studies to the same effect - my favorite is that Sen. Inyoue and a couple of other people effectively prop up C&H sugar (probably Domino as well) with said "subsidies" (IIRC in this case, a combination of tariffs and tax breaks) that benefit only a handful of workers.

    Starting to understand why I hate Socialism?



    P.S. Another fun discussion:
    "the AARP makes roughly twice from Medigap “royalties” what it collects in membership dues. There is an argument to be made for a genuinely private health system — the market determines the rate for mending a broken leg or curing your incontinence. There is an argument, if one is so inclined philosophically, to be made for a public health system of the Continental kind — simple, universal, and “free” at the point of demand. But there is very little to be said for the malign mutation of pseudo-public and ersatz-private health care that Obamacare massively expands, one that piles third party upon third party and ensures that the paperwork and cronyism will metastasize faster than any cancer and that America winds up with a system that has all the worst aspects of a government program — delays, bureaucracy — without even the redeeming features of universal access and an equality of awfulness."
     
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  11. BobCox2

    BobCox2 Diabloii.Net Member

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    I'm more concerned about this.

    NSFW Language



    you have False alternatives as your choice.

    I don't understand?

    Other that thats what the system I live in produces?

    But WHY?
     
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    LOL. Very LOL. :yes:
     
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    So is THAT why we need laws to prevent Democratic demographics from voting?

    Reminds me of the old joke: "Republicans campaign on how bad government is, then when they get into power, they prove it."
     
  15. jmervyn

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    Not to be flippant, but where's the scandal? ACORN has done this for decades, and they're STILL getting taxpayer-funded! Even though they claim they don't even exist, ala Satan...
    Actually, that's a quote from my hero. You forgot the previous part about Democrats.

    I honestly think that voter registration efforts should be illegal, simply because of the inherent corrupting effects. If someone wants to be shiftless and not even try to impact their government, they deserve what they get. That also gives the people who actually know and care about the issues far greater power per individual.
     
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    And i don't particularly care if you have to have an ID to vote, since you need one for everything else, I just don't think they should ram the legislation through right before an election.

    I also think they should let you register online, up to a short time before the polls close. Or via paper, but if you're after a cut off, you'd have to bring appropriate documentation to the polling place. Illinois is famous for its corrupt voting practices. We like to vote early and often.

    As for get out the vote efforts, I don't want public money going to that, but I don't care if a political action group does. Some of these efforts are okay, and some don't pass the smell test.
     
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    Did you not RTFA or not care because it did not fit your viewpoint? It compares ACORN to this line by line and fact by fact?

    As you seem to have missed it...

    No Comparison to ACORN, So Rightwing Media Isn't Even Trying (Yet)
    Leon County, FL Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho, discussing the mess in the Sunshine State over the past several days, told The BRAD BLOG that "the irony is palpable, as the Republican Party has been caught doing the same thing they accused ACORN of when they shut them down."
    Of course, there is no real comparison to ACORN. Unlike Sproul's outfits, the non-partisan community organizing group was never hired by the Democratic Party to do voter registration work. Moreover, it was ACORN themselves who discovered fraud by a handful of its more than ten thousand workers and notified officials of the fraud and the names of those who had defrauded them.
    As perhaps best described by former Republican Rep. Chris Cannon of Utah, during a 2009 voter suppression hearing: "The difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn't throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out."
    But the pathetically amusing aspect here is watching, and waiting, for the same Rightwing media who turned false allegations against ACORN into a crusade to destroy the four-decade community organization (simply because they had the temerity to legally register millions of low- and middle-income voters who had the damnable tendency to vote for Democrats), to even cover this scandal at all.
    Now that the things they falsely accused ACORN of doing for so many years are actually being done, by the Republicans' top voter registration outfit, the Rightwing media has fallen silent.
    While we understand that Fox's Shepard Smith finally mentioned the scandal late Friday, earlier that day, after what had been nearly a full week of allegations of voter registration fraud in at least 10 FL counties by then, including allegations by one Republican election official that the group had even been found to have registered dead people as new voters, Fox "News" hadn't mentioned one word about any of it, as Eric Boehlert noticed at Media Matters. At Salon, later that day, Alex Seitz-Wald reported that "a search on Strategic Allied Consulting or Nathan Sproul turns up zero results on the Weekly Standard, the National Review, RedState, the Breitbart sites, Michelle Malkin, Hot Air and other" Rightwing sites which went wall-to-wall about supposed "voter fraud" by ACORN in the past. Imagine that.
    In ACORN's case, there is no evidence that any of the fraud by any of their workers either resulted in a single fraudulent vote or in anybody ever being disenfranchised. Right now, given the addresses changed on existing voter records to places like Shell stations and Land Rover dealers, as is the case in Palm Beach County, Election Supervisor Susan Bucher told us she's very worried that an unknown number of voters may find themselves disenfranchised when they go to vote on November 6, only to find that they are no longer registered at the precinct where they have voted for years.
    Bucher told us on Friday night that she and her staff are madly working through some "37,000 plus address changes and 23,000 new and updated signatures that have occurred in Palm Beach County" since the beginning of August, to determine which ones submitted by the state GOP are legitimate and which ones might be fraudulent and result in a legal voter losing their right to have their vote counted this year.
    This is real fraud, and the Republicanist media couldn't care less.

    Glad to see you validating the point above
     
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    Also, as a result of the RNC hiring a known shady outfit (and suggesting they change the company's name because they were known to be shady), their voter registration efforts in half of the main swing states have been stopped a week/week-and-a-half sooner than necessary, while the DNC efforts continue on.

    This. I don't have a problem with ID to vote (they've been doing it here for years), just springing it on people right before the election. Doing something legit in a illegit fashion is still illegit.

    Also, don't screw with early voting! Early voting is awesome!!
     
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    The only reason it's being "rammed through" is that Holder's DoJ and the Democrats have been trying to sandbag it for decades. Or haven't you heard all the bounteous bullshyte on the mainstream media about "voter suppression"?
    [​IMG]

    Whatever it takes, right? One motto of the GOP has been, "We must win big so they can't cheat!"

    Admittedly, I only scanned it, as it was a piece of dross. I just think it's revealing that you're so outraged by this yet didn't give a hoot about ACORN previously. Nor about the Black Panthers, I suspect. The hypocrisy is strong with this one...
    See, this is known as the "Big Lie" technique, though hopefully you're unaware that you're using it.
    Well, the fact that your article is chock-a-block with open lies pretty much destroys any credibility it could have had. Just because there's not a conviction hardly means there's no evidence; Mr. Jackass is pretending that ACORN's long history of malfeasance didn't really exist but is acting as judge, jury, and executioner against the GOP for the same exact sort of malfeasance that was ACORN's reason for existence.

    Obviously, voter fraud shouldn't be tolerated, which is why I believe in voter ID. The Left doesn't, and fights it tooth and nail. Pretending that "black" or "brown" people are afraid to use ID to vote, when they already use it for everything else including welfare, can't be said by anyone with credibility.
     
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