Respect the elderly?

snowieken

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Respect the elderly?

I needed to take a train today, and I was standing in line for a ticket. My bus was late, so I was also late for my train and had about one minute left. Finally it was my turn. Suddenly, the old man behind me passed me and started asking the clerk for a ticket. As I politely intervened, saying that I believe it was my turn, he turned towards me, smiling slightly and said sushingly: "Ah, but my train leaves in less than 10 minutes, son." I replied "Mine leaves in about one minute, sir." he quickly turned back towards the clerk and finished his business. The clerk shrugged at me, but gave the man his ticket. I missed my train, and didn't even get an apology.

Don't get me wrong: if an elderly person enters a full bus, I'd be the first to stand up and offer my seat. However, a while ago I remained in my seat as an old man with a cane entered the bus. Not intentionally, my thoughts were just drifting away, I wasn't really paying attention. He - and I swear this is no joke - poked me with his stick. Naturally, I stayed seated, and I probably said something cranky as well. As hard as it is to believe, he had the nerve to start yapping about the youth of today, and how they have no respect for the elderly anymore.

Is it just me? I do believe respect for the elderly is a good thing, and necessary, but I also think it counts both ways to some extent. The usual cliché is that young people nowadays don't have respect for elderly people anymore, but I strongly believe that in general it is the other way around.

Does anyone share that opinion, does anyone strongly disagrees with it? Surely it isn't wrong to expect some respect in return, now is it?
 

Newman

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snowieken said:
I needed to take a train today, and I was standing in line for a ticket. My bus was late, so I was also late for my train and had about one minute left. Finally it was my turn. Suddenly, the old man behind me passed me and started asking the clerk for a ticket. As I politely intervened, saying that I believe it was my turn, he turned towards me, smiling slightly and said sushingly: "Ah, but my train leaves in less than 10 minutes, son." I replied "Mine leaves in about one minute, sir." he quickly turned back towards the clerk and finished his business. The clerk shrugged at me, but gave the man his ticket. I missed my train, and didn't even get an apology.

Don't get me wrong: if an elderly person enters a full bus, I'd be the first to stand up and offer my seat. However, a while ago I remained in my seat as an old man with a cane entered the bus. Not intentionally, my thoughts were just drifting away, I wasn't really paying attention. He - and I swear this is no joke - poked me with his stick. Naturally, I stayed seated, and I probably said something cranky as well. As hard as it is to believe, he had the nerve to start yapping about the youth of today, and how they have no respect for the elderly anymore.

Is it just me? I do believe respect for the elderly is a good thing, and necessary, but I also think it counts both ways to some extent. The usual cliché is that young people nowadays don't have respect for elderly people anymore, but I strongly believe that in general it is the other way around.

Does anyone share that opinion, does anyone strongly disagrees with it? Surely it isn't wrong to expect some respect in return, now is it?
I give respect to people who show respect to me. Don't get me wrong, if I meet someone for the first time I'm not going to disrespect them, but as soon as someone disrespect to me, they won't get any from me.

Here's a story. Earlier last week, I was at a gas station filling up (and getting owned by the prices). I had been waiting in line for about 10 minutes (it's the cheapest gas in town by about 10 cents). I saw this white Cavilier pull up but at the time I didn't take much notice to it. As it was my turn to fill up I pulled up to the pump and started to pump the gas.

I then see a figure out of the corner of my eye approach me. The man was saying something, I didn't really understand what he was saying until I actually looked at him. I'm saying this man was about 65-75, no cane but he was definitely up there.

He was yelling at me, saying it was me who cut in line telling me that the whole 'wait in line at the gas station is F***** up'. I went on to tell him that I had been patiently waiting in line and he would have to do the same. He continued to tell me I cut in line and that I was a F*****, I then told him to shut the hell up and demanded he get out of my face.

It's crap like that that pisses me off, if an old man came up and poked me with his cane like you described and said some remark. I would tell him that poking me with his cane consititutes as assault and I would ask him to get out of my face.

I show repsect to people who respect me, bottom line.
 
Agreed with both of you.

I ride public transportation every single day, and if there is an older person who enters the train and there are no seats, and I'm sitting, I'll consider offering it to them. However, I now hesitate, as not too long ago when I stood up to offer my seat to a man who was clearly at least 70, I got a lecture about how I was insulting him. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Snowy, you handled the situation in both cases a lot better than I would have. In the first case, I would have physically put myself between the person if they did not listen to me when I explained to them that I had been waiting in line and was going to miss my train. Maybe I'm a jerk.

In the second case, I would likely have had my headphones in, with my nose in a book. Had someone poked me with their cane, I would have removed the headphones and informed them that had they been more polite about it, I would have happily given them my seat, but since they chose to be rude, I would show them the same courtesy and keep my spot. Again, perhaps I'm a jerk, but I have very little tolerance for stupidity, arrogance, and lack of respect.

Again, I'm the first one to jump up on a train if there's someone who needs the seat more than I do, but if I'm confronted disrespectfully, it'll be a cold day in hell before I get up. And I live at the end of the line, so in the afternoons, at least, I'm going to be the last one off the train.
 

Newman

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DrunkCajun said:
Agreed with both of you.

I ride public transportation every single day, and if there is an older person who enters the train and there are no seats, and I'm sitting, I'll consider offering it to them. However, I now hesitate, as not too long ago when I stood up to offer my seat to a man who was clearly at least 70, I got a lecture about how I was insulting him. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Snowy, you handled the situation in both cases a lot better than I would have. In the first case, I would have physically put myself between the person if they did not listen to me when I explained to them that I had been waiting in line and was going to miss my train. Maybe I'm a jerk.

In the second case, I would likely have had my headphones in, with my nose in a book. Had someone poked me with their cane, I would have removed the headphones and informed them that had they been more polite about it, I would have happily given them my seat, but since they chose to be rude, I would show them the same courtesy and keep my spot. Again, perhaps I'm a jerk, but I have very little tolerance for stupidity, arrogance, and lack of respect.

Again, I'm the first one to jump up on a train if there's someone who needs the seat more than I do, but if I'm confronted disrespectfully, it'll be a cold day in hell before I get up. And I live at the end of the line, so in the afternoons, at least, I'm going to be the last one off the train.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
 

snowieken

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DrunkCajun said:
Had someone poked me with their cane, I would have removed the headphones and informed them that had they been more polite about it, I would have happily given them my seat, but since they chose to be rude, I would show them the same courtesy and keep my spot.
Uhm, that's basically what I said as well, and don't worry, it doesn't make you a jerk. :)

I'm also not looking for sympathy or redemption for my reactions. It's just my experience that lots of elderly people don't show any respect whatsoever for youngsters. I was just wondering if this statement, albeit a generalization, has any ring of truth to it.
 

Newman

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snowieken said:
Uhm, that's basically what I said as well, and don't worry, it doesn't make you a jerk. :)

I'm also not looking for sympathy or redemption for my reactions. It's just my experience that lots of elderly people don't show any respect whatsoever for youngsters. I was just wondering if this statement, albeit a generalization, has any ring of truth to it.
Totally, same with teenagers (don't call me on this one since I'm 18). But most 13-17 year olds are just rude and disrespectful.
 
Newman said:
Totally, same with teenagers (don't call me on this one since I'm 18). But most 13-17 year olds are just rude and disrespectful.
im 14, and im quite well mannered, indeed.

JAY KAY, IM TOTALLYY OBNOXIOUS. EL OH EL.

:rolleyes:
 
Snowy, darn good to see you posting again. I eagerly await your next one in, say, 7 months?

Respect is doled out to those who earn it, in my book. If some older person seems in need, I'll be the first to help out; but if they crab at me without giving me a chance, or take advantage of me, I can only assume that for all the years they've spent on this planet, they haven't learned a damned thing.

Age alone does not earn respect; character and dignity must play as important a role.
 

giantpinkbunnyhead

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It all boils down to this. Respect is to be earned, not to be expected. "Respect your elders" alludes to the implication that older folks have had more time to earn respect by becoming wiser. But, it doesn't mean being old gives you cart blanche to step on people and then use the "respect elders" defense when you get questioned. Does this remind anyone of that South African bad guy in Lethal Weapon 2, who kept using "diplomatic immunity" as his get-out-of-jail-free card?
 

evild2player

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I agree with all of you. I've seen that the elderly don't give respect to youngsters. I have seen it many times, my Grandma is an example. Ugh.. She annoys me easily and she never respects me, yet everyone expects me to be nice to her.
 

LunarSolaris

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Mixed and GPBH hit the nail squarely on the head. I see no reason to repeat what they said.

Respect is good... but it is earned. Many "older" people do learn it over the course of time... most people do get wiser, but some don't.
 

Lord_Shinnok

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GPBH is right on two fronts. One that respect isn't given out for no reason. it must be earned. The other front being that Aston Martins rock.

I also remember that from Lethal Weapon 2 though the guy got Glovertized in the end with a shot between the eyes.
 
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