Resist in PvP

CdMagicFind

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Resist in PvP

Yeap. Just sort of wondering about it for classes and builds in general.

1) Wondering about which classes have the most (hdins?) and the least (bowa..?).

2) And how much of each resist is standard. Oh, and why do people not just use 11 CR or 11 LR SC's over 5 res. all? They're the main ones that are stacked and even if you don't go all CR/LR, after about 50 stacked over for the others I think it would be better to go 11 CR/11 LR's.

3) Oh, and look at these boots and tell me what you think.

Light Plated -
30 FRW
10 FHR
11 CR
40 LR
37 PR

Yeah, PR... Freaking ; - ;. I was *hand gesture* close to a tri-res FHR one. Oh well, high LR and.. PR, is good enough.

edit - more hand gestures.
 
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mephiztophelez

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i'll try and answer htese....

1: most res, generally pally's with inventories of 5/20's. least: yarr, prolly your average pub bowa'zon

2: "standard" is enough overstack to keep you at your max-res once the anya-bug comes into play. so 30% over for each if you use Malah's buggy scrolls is "standard".

20/5's are preffered to 20/11's because, well, 2 x 20/5 gives 10% to all res, whereas you'd need 4 x 20/11 to get one more res to each. extra fire res is nice if you run into a FoH/FB sosa combo and extra poison res is nice against lower-res poisonmancers.

3: nice boots. they look just like tri-res/fhr boots to me. got kinda ganked on the cold res tho. but still nice boots.
 

CdMagicFind

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1) Ah, all right. I was thinking hammy cause they use Wiz and all.

2) Oh, I thought everybody overstacked. xD

And I was just thinking that. Since FR/PR are going to overstacked a bit before switching the CR/LR that 5's give a total of 10 to CR/LR while you could get 11.

3) Well, technically they are. But PR imo isn't really the same. And yeah, if the CR were higher it would've been uber despite no FR.
 

Ouallada

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Hmm, nice boots. But I think that FR is more important than CR/PR in a lot of ways, esp for spirit users. You can't really tank a blizzard in any case, so the idea should not entirely be to stack against it.

Hdins actually do use wizzies at times. They dont need the +skills that hoto gives as much as a hybrid.

Bowas have the lowest resists. Hitting them is another matter at times.

barbs can also have very high resists due to natural resists and freedom to change scs and some gear. That would hamper them in the max/ar/life or ar/life dept, though.

I think that general smiters have a good case for having stacked resists too. Hdins use at least a couple of pcombs usually. Smiters can go straight for 20/5 scs. 37 x 20/5s is 185res all, and 225 with torch/anni. Add CoA and hoz/exile, and possibly fort and resists from rings and ammy, and you have a seriously stacked character.
 

CdMagicFind

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Well, it's a spirit-using HDin. So that should be able to tank Blizz but ends up with sorta low FR. (Edit - Not really tank but stack enough to block the -CR)

Actually I think my HDin will be using wiz as a main weap. 10kish+ magic damage is already pretty high up there.

Yeap, bowas are down there in resist I guess. And I didn't think of NR for barbs. That should put them pretty high.

Hm, well, yeap. That's pretty stacked.. No clue how anybody could get the 5/20's though. At least ones that don't poof.
 

Ouallada

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Blizz is really really hard to tank. Well, it is pretty much a toss between wizzies and hoto. If you can actually hit 125 with hoto, just go for it, and swap when you face elemental casters that need stacking, I guess.

For NL I think 37 x 20/5 is possible, but even for ladder, I think that 17-20/5 scs are ok. Not much difference too. Barring which go for 15res GCs with as high life as possible for smiters.
 

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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on a hammerdin, the idea of switching between hoto and wizzy is a joke. leave the really, REALLY needed stash visits to say, grief and tgods.

hammer > smite in terms of res stack on normal base gear, because of wizzy + spirit. but smiters can go all out stack/sorb against a single element if needed as long as they keep their silly little grief, while hammers need to maintain atleast 75 fcr.

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Ouallada

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Huh, wizzie is a joke on hdins, but "hammer > smite in terms of res stack on normal base gear, because of wizzy + spirit."?
 

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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Huh, wizzie is a joke on hdins, but "hammer > smite in terms of res stack on normal base gear, because of wizzy + spirit."?
I did not mean wizzy is a joke on a hammerdin. In fact, I think its the supreme weapon.

I'm saying, you do not want want to be switching wizzy + hoto for every time you need high res stack, because that is a lot of stashing. Either choose a wizzy or hoto of your choice, and stick with it.
me said:
on a hammerdin, the idea of switching between hoto and wizzy is a joke. leave the really, REALLY needed stash visits to say, grief and tgods.
Is that sentence really that hard to comprehend?

i mean jesus christ, i read it over and over, its so goddamn easy to understand, what do you not get about the idea of switching between hoto and wizzy, its the damn idea, in a noun sense, noun can be an idea or person or place or thing, the idea of switching is a joke, where the hell do you see wizzy is a joke?



 

Ouallada

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Context context context. A sentence like the one you can easily be taken to have subordinated wizzie to the hoto, because you say " switching between hoto and wizzy". That implies emphasis and preference on and to hoto. I'm not trying to be pedantic, but that is simply how it is. From then on, it is easy to see why I asked the question. I fail to see the reason for the rant up there. Miscommunication. Not the first time in this world, not the last either.
 

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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Context context context. A sentence like the one you can easily be taken to have subordinated wizzie to the hoto, because you say " switching between hoto and wizzy". That implies emphasis and preference on and to hoto. I'm not trying to be pedantic, but that is simply how it is. From then on, it is easy to see why I asked the question. I fail to see the reason for the rant up there. Miscommunication. Not the first time in this world, not the last either.
the idea of switching between hoto and wizzy

note "between", i do not say from or to, thus it gives equal viability of switching either way, therfore not giving any favor to neither

I do not see how it gives emphasis to and on hoto. Actually, im surprised someone with your impressive vocabulary pedantic could have made such a mistake.

sorry for the rant, I am paranoid from all the drugs. i detected sarcasm by your simplicity, which probably was nonexistent. nonetheless, it was your fault for our miscom, think it over through and you will see I did not make much mistake in transferring my thought to text in that line.
me said:
on a hammerdin, the idea of switching between hoto and wizzy is a joke. leave the really, REALLY needed stash visits to say, grief and tgods.


 

Ouallada

Diabloii.Net Member
A sentence like the one you can easily be taken to have subordinated wizzie to the hoto
Note this.

it was your fault for our miscom
Communication is a two-way street. Any communication class would tell you that.

I was not being sarcastic, just pointing something out. If I wanted to be pedantic, I would say that you were at fault for detecting sarcasm where there was none, according to your logic. Anyway, I'm not continuing this with you.

To the OP, I still feel that a wizzie is a good hdim weap, as it really does have a lot of nice mods, especially for clearing pubs alone. However, hoto is just as good or even better, because you sacrifice only 35res for 2 skills effectively, and resists can be made up with life/res charms, which hdins should be using anyway. In the occasions where the charms are not enough and the 35% extra resist is needed, or maybe 50% if you socket it, you would be going to the stash for the resist shield, tgods or wisps anyway. Really up to preference.
 

Dennis_KoreanGuy

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Communication is a two-way street. Any communication class would tell you that.
I agree. but like all other such things, it is only true to some extent. Exaggeration would be, me saying apple and you understanding as a pear. This situation is obviously nothing even close to comparison, but would you say the speaker had more fault or the listener had more fault, if miscommunication occured? Ofcourse, you add outside variables such as foreign accent, third party noises, blah blah, but there are very little of that here, other than this maroon colored background.
you said:
I was not being sarcastic, just pointing something out. If I wanted to be pedantic, I would say that you were at fault for detecting sarcasm where there was none, according to your logic. Anyway, I'm not continuing this with you.
nay, it was not really sarcasm, more like the feeling of betterness as you pointed out my mistake. criticism is always accepted, but not when put in
you said:
Huh, wizzie is a joke on hdins, but "hammer > smite in terms of res stack on normal base gear, because of wizzy + spirit."?
format, especially when followed by a question mark. Were you seriously confused enough to ask a question, or were you pretty certain that it was a mistake on my part as I supposedly stated two completely different things, were you not? you could've asked why my statements supposedly differed or point it out, but you decided to ask not a question but the difference of the two statements that wasn't even quoted right, hence the lack of quotations around "wizzie is a joke on hdins", because i never said nor meant such a thing?
you said:
To the OP, I still feel that a wizzie is a good hdim weap, as it really does have a lot of nice mods, especially for clearing pubs alone. However, hoto is just as good or even better, because you sacrifice only 35res for 2 skills effectively, and resists can be made up with life/res charms, which hdins should be using anyway. In the occasions where the charms are not enough and the 35% extra resist is needed, or maybe 50% if you socket it, you would be going to the stash for the resist shield, tgods or wisps anyway. Really up to preference.
to keep this somewhat on topic, I will say that wizzy and hoto are both extremely effective hammerdin's weapons, but your reasoning for hoto > wizzy is biased. I believe otherwise, but hoto can be just as good. Its how you prove your point that is false. If we're talking about a 1v1 Hammer, one who optimizes his gear for every single opponent, yes go bust out a upd hoz + grief + kiras + widow + whatever whenever at need and have hoto as your base. but you say
you said:
especially for clearing pubs alone. However, hoto is just as good or even better
which shows your lack of hammer experience and an understanding of the harshness of "clearing the pubs".
you said:
In the occasions where the charms are not enough and the 35% extra resist is needed, or maybe 50% if you socket it, you would be going to the stash for the resist shield, tgods or wisps anyway.
50% extra resists? when your resists are below 350 which it will, hell yes the resists will be needed. resist shield? laughable idea. should I even mention why a "pub clear" hdin shouldn't lose their 80/80/45/80 35% sac targe for a resist shield?
I could explain why your belief that is along the lines of; "if youre gonna need wizzy, youre gonna need hardcore stack/sorb gear like tgods / resist shield / etc anyway, so go hoto" simply will not work and the most optimal way to set up a massively versatile hammerdin is to find the happy medium between a normal hammer's stash gear and a normal hammer's base gear.

I admit, no matter what happened, if miscommunication occured, everyone involved is at fault. but you must admit, read that damn sentence over, do you not wonder why you would misunderstand that as whatever you understood as?



 
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