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Republicans really suck too, because (Federal Wire Act of 1961)

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  1. jmervyn

    jmervyn IncGamers Member

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    I'm not pretending to know all the fine print, but here's a summary of the next colostomy bag the GOP is emptying on the heads of the American people.

    The Federal Wire Act of 1961 was intended to hobble organized crime and their ability to evade the laws of individual states. "Wire" in this context means the archaic methods of moving large amounts of cash such as money transfers. I've done so twice in my life and some banks continue to extend this capability to corporate customers; it's actually the normal method since neither credit cards nor online checking are really trustworthy in this scope.

    In sum, there is now a law being pushed by Congressman Chaffetz (R) of Utah to reapply the law to online gambling. Chaffetz is someone who would at least be generally considered decent by conservatives or libertarians; Senator Graham (R) is pushing the matching bill in the Senate (and Graham is generally not considered so decent). In this case Chaffetz is simply fronting for Sheldon Adelson, who is a fine example of corruption on the GOP's side despite some redeeming beliefs & causes.

    What does this mean and why does it matter? Well, online gaming interfacing with online gambling is a boom industry, where it can be. The GOP often tries to distance itself from the mostly false image of Bible-thumping prudes determined to micromanage others' lives - the default stance of Progressive Socialism embraced by the current Democrat leaders. However, the sort of wrong-minded policy that this Act represents destroys any such pretense and frames the GOP in precisely the same wretched, larcenous role that the Democrats employ.

    There is <no> legitimate reason for the Federal Gov't to abrogate state-level treaties, and even less justification to impose Federal regulation, when the subject is online gambling - presuming that there is actual separation of Church and State. The concept that gambling is unethical and immoral is deeply rooted in religion and not evenly applied, so this sort of ploy really shows the exact sort of Gov't distortion of the marketplace that the GOP nominally insists it is against.
     
  2. LozHinge the Unhinged

    LozHinge the Unhinged IncGamers Member

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    A good example of the strange bed fellows that religionists and right wingers do make.

    I'm sort of with Merv on this one - you'd think that a nanny left-wing would be the one to put a stop to a gambler's fun - for their own good, of course. Still, if it isn't left-wingers looking out for what's best for you, it's right-wingers hell-bent upon saving your soul. Pfft.

    That's it, I'm convinced. The only good government is an over-turned government.


    Disclaimer: I don't like gambling, I think it's a tax on stoopid levied by unscrupulous individuals who do not happen to be the gub'mint in this particular case. However, I will defend to the death the right of morons to throw their money away in whatever way they choose.
     
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    LozHinge the Unhinged IncGamers Member

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    On the contrary - it is the left-wingers who blahblahblah

    Liar. You don't feel that way at all because of frothfrothfroth.

    Blahblah THE WON blahblah lefty blahblah Margaret Thatcher!!!1!one!

    ********.

    *********************

    There you go, Merv. Sorted for you.
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    You have to help non-native English speakers a bit here...

    Somebody from the GOP is going to outlaw online gambling because of a decree which was made when this was a completely different issue. Correct?

    It probably has the same success chances as a ban on sex and drugs and Rock'n Roll. That guy certainly knows that it will not work, so he's just doing it to comfort himself, aka hypocrisy. If he really believes in success: Hush hush, back into the ivory tower and close the door behind you!
     
  5. jmervyn

    jmervyn IncGamers Member

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    Sad thing is that you still pretend there's such a thing as "right wingers" - but then, you think that companies are more capable of evil than countries.
    You may want to make me sound like an expresso maker, but your statements are generally from the viewpoint of the Left. I have yet to see you take umbrage with a SINGLE Socialist policy. Whereas...
    I was thinking of yelling "Maggie Thatcher Milk Snatcher!" in the other thread. Tell us all how sensible your murderous, raging hatred for her is, again?

    [​IMG]
     
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    jmervyn IncGamers Member

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    Sadly, no. Plus, you have no concept of just how servile Americans have become - instead the "civil disobedience" falls into the category of black market activity, rather than actually fighting the behavior.

    The GOP appears to be supporting the movement of ALL online and casino gambling into the hands of a few oligarchs, at the expense of smaller groups, American Indians, and off-shore entities. For example, Americans can't legally use probability forecasting sites like intrade because someone in Gov't is getting a cut.

    P.S. in a more sensible tangent related to Lox' initial post, the reason I'm extremely pro-gambling while actually being somewhat anti-gambling on both religious and moral grounds is that I see it as a bright, shining horizon for both gamers and gamblers.

    Imagine if when your character opened that treasure chest you found on the 5th level of Hell/ defeated the level boss for the 4th time, not only did you get your standard in-game gold but you also received 30 gemstones that are bitcoins?

    There's no reason for Chinese gold farmers if you are actually "farming" for yourself.
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    You mean that the issue is not just about that politician applying the decree in that manner, but much more about doing it out of lobbyism and about people letting it happen like sheep in an insemination station?
     
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    Actually there was a state, I think it was Florida IIRC, that really did manage to ban sex for a little while.

    It was accidental, but still...
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    I heard that in a few states, the only legitimate way of having sex is the missionary's position...

    Look at that weirdo, he's certainly a doggystyle child!
     
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    LozHinge the Unhinged IncGamers Member

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    Heh. Silly Merv.

    You are a most excellent cappuccino maker, Merv.

    Anyway, quote me a socialist policy and I'll let you know how I feel about it.
    Oh, I don't mean one of your made-up strawman fabrications ... I mean a *real* policy

    My murderous, raging hatred for the treasonous bitch makes your criticisms of Obama seem rational and measured in comparison.

    Yeah, I hate her *that* much!

    Heh. It's funny.

    I tell you what though, she was the reason why the end of of UK coal industry was so much fun. My, how we all laughed!
     
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    Yeah, yeah, I know the game. I present ANYTHING, you sneer and throw shit at me without actually saying anything relevant, and then demand I submit for more of the same while others here from the Left congratulate you for being one of them.

    Sorry, have better things to do. Like playing Dungeons & Dragons Online, which currently uses a three-tier fiscal system.
    1. There's "Turbine Points", which are company points bought with actual cash.
    2. There's "Astral Shards" (previously a higher denomination called "Astral Diamonds") which are only rarely found in-game but which are rewarded as prizes, can be traded on the forums, and are a rare giveaway from lotteries &c. They are bought by cashing in "Turbine Points"
    3. There's standard gaming treasure of the D&D variety, though gemstones & jewelry are sadly lacking dimension. Pretty much everything is finding an amount of X pieces and some gems which are only trade-able for cash.
    I would think that the third-tier gemstones would easily work within the framework of the second tier as trading house loot, and simply allow purchase of second tier direct from the store. However, I think this three-tier system is forced to be the default because otherwise there's the spectre of being accused of corrupting minors and what-not.

    Currently most of the discussion can be seen in on-line poker forums... which I can't view at work without having my door kicked in.
     
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    LozHinge the Unhinged IncGamers Member

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    Well, duh. Obviously, if you have the option to be playing some form of D&D, you should be doing so.

    :cool:

    You *do* have a sense of proportion, after all! :high five:
     
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    Skyrim is single-player, and I haven't the interest in Elder Scrolls online. That would change if there was a "real lewt" dimension.

    Right now, online gaming seems like it's fiscally restricted to poker. Adelson must be rubbing his hands with glee if he can get in on the ground floor with this; bribes... sorry, contributions to Chaffetz will be money very well spent.

    EDIT - couldn't use the old [strikeout] tag?
     
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    Fair enough.
     
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    Speaking of ESO, you know it's going f2p in a few days? Well, b2p, since you still have to purchase the game, but the sub is going away as a requirement to play.
     
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    My son said it apparently sucks, but I still might be persuaded.

    Still, back to the GOP - I think it's corruptocratic deals such as this which degrade and debase any claims of being honestly small-gov't or conservative. If the oligarchy boyz don't pull their heads out, there's going to be a repeat of Romney's lackluster election... meaning Hillary will be the third oldest President in history...

     
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    That's not uncommon, unfortunately. However, most of the negativity seems to come from a mindset of expecting Skyrim + multiplayer, which will leave you disappointed. If you go into it expecting an MMO set in the Elder Scrolls universe, then it's pretty good. Not earth shatteringly good, but still pretty good. The latest patch also changed and added quite a few things. Here's the b2p launch trailer which lists a lot of them if you're interested.



    Also there's no republicans or democrats to worry about. Just some guy that steals your soul and wants to force you to serve him for all eternity.

    Well, ok, that's not much of a difference actually. You do get to kick him in the shins though. :p
     
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    Successors of extremely successful games often have that dilemma. There are those who want the game pretty much like the predecessor, but with better graphics, those who are expecting lots of new features on top of what's already available, but the most important group are the newcomers because they will probably be most numerous. They will listen a lot to the opinion of oldtimers, but have different expectations of the game contents.

    Well, at least that was the problem of D3, plus the fact that it took 10 years to release it, a time during which a lot of the remaining D2 players became very much used to what a Diablo game has to be about in their opinion. I'm probably in that group, although I can't say that D3 sucks. I played it a lot as well and I still do from time to time. It just didn't catch my attention as much as D3.
     
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    Doesn't help when jackasses like Angry Joe make deliberately bad and misleading reviews based on inaccurate or completely fabricated information just to stir up a few extra hits for his youtube videos.
     
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    The two biggest lies in US politics:

    1. The Democrats are against corporate power.
    2. The Republicans are against big government.
     

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