Reclaiming The Issues: Islamic Or Republican Fascism? ifra

Road Ratt

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Reclaiming The Issues: Islamic Or Republican Fascism?

Published on Monday, August 28, 2006 by CommonDreams.org
Reclaiming The Issues: Islamic Or Republican Fascism?
by Thom Hartmann

In the years since George W. Bush first used 9/11 as his own "Reichstag fire" to gut the Constitution and enhance the power and wealth of his corporate cronies, many across the political spectrum have accused him and his Republican support group of being fascists.

On the right,The John Birch Society's website editor recently opined of the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretap program: "This is to say that from the administration's perspective, the president is, in effect, our living constitution. This is, in a specific and unmistakable sense, fascist."

On the left, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. specifically indicts the Bush administration for fascistic behavior in his book "Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and his Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our Democracy."

Genuine American fascists are on the run, and part of their survival strategy is to redefine the term "fascism" so it can't be applied to them any more. Most recently, George W. Bush said: "This nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation."

In fact, the Islamic fundamentalists who apparently perpetrated 9/11 and other crimes in Spain and the United Kingdom are advocating a fundamentalist theocracy, not fascism.

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Brought to you for your consideration, thoughtful comments welcome. So what do you people think? :scratch:
 

jimmyboy

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Georgie is just screwing up his words again when he gets excited. I'm sure his speech writers are rolling their eyes. I must admit, the words "fanatics" and "facists" do sound alike. If I was his speechwriter, I'd also avoid words like Tootsie, Mass, Rick, etc.

But it's very interesting how the John Birch Society is roasting Georgie. Looks like they've not been brainwashed by the Rove propaganda machine after all.

BTW, I think the GOP almost had a mass heart attack as we all know that Facism is the far-ultra most right wing of conversatism. Kind of weird, one ultra convervative group painting another ultra conservative group as evil.
 

bg1256

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I wouldn't put it in such extreme terms, but I do think GW is headed down a dangerous road. What's ironic to me is, I don't really think he sees it that way. I believe that he genuinely believes he is doing what is best for America and democracy.

As for Islam, they are definitely advocating a religious-fundamentalist theocracy, not fascism. Which is, imo, why we should just leave them alone. Let them rule their lives the way they believe Allah has commanded.
 

maccool

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bg1256 said:
What's ironic to me is, I don't really think he sees it that way. I believe that he genuinely believes he is doing what is best for America and democracy.
It's not irony, it's incompetence and unwillingness to try something, anything different. If he did that, *that* would be irony.
 

Sokar Rostau

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You see what happens when people don't pour over the right-whinge blogs all day? They go and discover the dirty truth about America.






P.S. It's a pun Dondrei...
 

Dondrei

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Sokar Rostau said:
You see what happens when people don't pour over the right-whinge blogs all day? They go and discover the dirty truth about America.






P.S. It's a pun Dondrei...
Pore. And I got the pun, it's not that funny.
 

Dondrei

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Bush seems to be doing as good a job of borrowing and spending as any Democrat. The modern right wing seems to have embraced the worst of both worlds.
 

Road Ratt

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bg1256 said:
I wouldn't put it in such extreme terms, but I do think GW is headed down a dangerous road.
I agree.

bg1256 said:
As for Islam, they are definitely advocating a religious-fundamentalist theocracy, not fascism. Which is, imo, why we should just leave them alone. Let them rule their lives the way they believe Allah has commanded.
But, but, but... we're just paying them back for trying to convert us to their ways by forcing our democracy upon them.

Bordillo said:
Bush>Clinton
Hardly, But than Clinton was no great president either. Actually we haven't had a great president in my lifetime, just a lot of decent, mediocre, to bad ones.

Not that he'd agree, but they were interviewing Bill O'Reilly on 60 minutes the other day. He was talking about how Bill Clinton had a successful presidency then practically in the same breath talked about how many mistakes G.W. Bush has made during his presidency.
 

thegiantturtle

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dondrei said:
Bush seems to be doing as good a job of borrowing and spending as any Democrat. The modern right wing seems to have embraced the worst of both worlds.
Bush isn't a republican in the sense the term used to be used. He doesn't believe in states rights and he doesn't believe in small government and minimum spending. Bush is essentially the champion of a few very different special interest groups: extreme social conservatives, the religious right, and rich people. The patriot act, the warrantless wiretapping, and the secret prisons do not follow republican ideals. They are straight federal government power grabs that are completely opposite from the supposed tenants of the republican party.

I may not like the tenants of the republican party, but I can't stand how his actions have been incorporated by both sides as republican.
 

jimmyboy

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Federal Deficit-Overspending.
Federal intrusion into State affairs.
Federal snooping of private citizens.

The GOP sure isn't what it used to be.
 

llad12

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I don't know if I would define it as fascism, but, with the help of a Republican-led Congress and a few rebel Democrats, our Emperor/President just got stronger.

To wit:
WASHINGTON - The Senate on Thursday endorsed President Bush’s plans to prosecute and interrogate terror suspects, all but sealing congressional approval for legislation that Republicans intend to use on the campaign trail to assert their toughness on terrorism.

The 65-34 vote means the bill could reach the president’s desk by week’s end. The House passed nearly identical legislation on Wednesday and was expected to approve the Senate bill on Friday, sending it on to the White House.

The bill would create military commissions to prosecute terrorism suspects. It also would prohibit blatant abuses of detainees but grant the president flexibility to decide what interrogation techniques are legally permissible.
MSNBC

International treaties? Who needs 'em? We are the toughest, meanest kid-on-the-block and we will unilaterally run over you if you get in our way.

Human rights? Those are only for scoring political points. Otherwise, they take a backseat to our foreign/economic policies.

Are we hypocrites? You better believe it ...

All hail our glorious Empire!

All hail Emperor Bush! :rolleyes:
 

Talga Vasternich

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llad12 said:
IAre we hypocrites? You better believe it ...
I believe you are a hypocrite.
article said:
The bill would create military commissions to prosecute terrorism suspects. It also would prohibit blatant abuses of detainees but grant the president flexibility to decide what interrogation techniques are legally permissible.
You complain that these suspects are not being tried, now you complain that they will be prosecuted.
Then you complain about detainees being abused, but complain against legislation to curb these abuses.

Thanks for giving me a good chuckle today! :thumbsup:
 

maccool

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I don't see S. 3930 surviving a court challenge, Llad. Well, at least I hope it doesn't. That is to say, if one actually reads the Bill, there are a couple of bits that contradict that goddamn piece of paper.

If one is interested, here is the Bill that passed the Senate. If you have U.S. citizenship, you should be interested, no matter your political leanings.

If it's too long for you to read, wait for the talking points from your political pundit of choice - it's easier than thinking.
 
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