Rebuilding my PvP Bonemancer - need sum advice

cainc5

Diabloii.Net Member
Rebuilding my PvP Bonemancer - need sum advice

my actual necro is really great, but he got 20 points in bone prison and no curses at all.
im thinking about remake it, using marrowwalk bug n boneflame (actual got homunc n 75% block)

what u guys think i should go for?
75% 59 all res from homunc or no block, 42 all res +1 skill +huge life with bo(no dex) from bone flame???

should i invest in curses up to decrep? or lower?

my ekip: hoto, enigma, shield??, Umed shako, storm circlet ammy, 2 sojs, marrowwalk, frostburns, arachs, cta n lidless for bo

thank you

ps. we should discuss about having or no block as an important matter in duels at all.
 

Ifrit18

Banned
I do fine without blocking although it varies with people.

I would use homocu AND/OR darkforce spawn.

You don't lower resist. No reason to invest into a curse because only duration is affected.

Use trang gloves or magefist. 75% FCR is simply a must.

Shoot for 2k-2.5k life with BO.

Also get some FHR or trappers will have field day.
 

Har-Megiddo

Diabloii.Net Member
cainc5 said:
my actual necro is really great, but he got 20 points in bone prison and no curses at all.
im thinking about remake it, using marrowwalk bug n boneflame (actual got homunc n 75% block)

what u guys think i should go for?
75% 59 all res from homunc or no block, 42 all res +1 skill +huge life with bo(no dex) from bone flame???

should i invest in curses up to decrep? or lower?

my ekip: hoto, enigma, shield??, Umed shako, storm circlet ammy, 2 sojs, marrowwalk, frostburns, arachs, cta n lidless for bo

thank you

ps. we should discuss about having or no block as an important matter in duels at all.
I'd make 2 necros. One with no block to duel casters, one with to duel melee or use in pubby duels.

I'd go Wizspike instead of enigma. Homo for the blocking necro, +3 max res Boneflame or +2 necro +3 pnb +bone spirit/spear rare head for non blocking necro, umed shako, storm circlet, 2 sojs, marrows, bloodfist (the hit recovery and life is invaluable), arachs or a 5+ cast rate +life +str caster belt, as you hit the 75% cast rate with storm + wiz + 5% from belt and the strength can save points for vit and the life is always good. CTA and lidless is a given too.
 

Pallidum

Diabloii.Net Member
Personally I think 125% cast rate is crucial in pvp. You should aim for 125 as much as possible vs all the duels you have. Fast hit recovery is also important, try to hit the 56% fast hit recovery breakpoint. FHR is much more important than life, so sacrifice some life if you have to to get more fhr. This is especially true against zons and other necros.

As for block, mine has 55% with raven, and hes doing quite well.

Try to hit 3k life with bo and all the items you have.
 

Ifrit18

Banned
Wizardspike or HotO are literally a must. Even Sucide branch is good.
Trang gloves or magefist
Arcanid mesh
2 sojs or 1 soj/ravenfrost
Maras or +2 necro 20% faster cast ammy( caster crafted)
Homocolous is all around best but I would also get a darkforce spawn.
Shako
Waterwalks or Marrowwalks
 

Pallidum

Diabloii.Net Member
Personally i think a crafted caster belt with huge mods (24 fhr, 5o+life, mana, and resists) is a much better alternative than arachnid mesh. Because think about it, the only thing arachnid has is the +skill and the 20% faster cast, If you can hit 125 with the caster belt, than the extra 20% fcr on arachnid mesh is useless. The other thing it has is the +1 to skills, but caster has fast hit recovery, life, and mana, and imo those three beats out +skill any day of the week.

ps. the +5% max mana is negligible and translates to about 30 ish mana tops.
 

DetroitWhat

Diabloii.Net Member
Hey guys. I was thinking about making a dueling necro with the following, tell me what you think.

Items:
Helm – um’ed shako
Armor – um’ed shaftstop
Weapon – hoto
Shield – um'ed homonculus
Rings – raven, soj
Ammy – maras
Gloves – trangs
Belt – verdungo
charms - full 20life sc's

Attributes:
Str – 100
Dex – 175
Vit – rest
Energy – base

Skills:
Max bone spirit
Max bone spear
Max teeth
Rest in bone prison
1 in each other skill (other than the poison skills)

Whatcha think?
 

Ifrit18

Banned
You would have low life and waste of stat points.

You should not need 100 base str. Shaftstop is medium armor which will make your run/walk speed slow.

Even with all those +20 life small charms, your a sitting duck to any char.
 

DetroitWhat

Diabloii.Net Member
Ifrit18 said:
You would have low life and waste of stat points.

You should not need 100 base str. Shaftstop is medium armor which will make your run/walk speed slow.

Even with all those +20 life small charms, your a sitting duck to any char.
Really? hmm...Let me address your points:

I think I'd have more than enough life, considering I'd get at least 600 health from charms alone.

The 10% slowdown from the armor can be augmented with a few charms...plus I think the bonuses from Shaft will be very beneficial.

Thanks for the feedback.
 

Ifrit18

Banned
The body armor piece is technically the most important item in the game. If you go with enigma, you gain lots of modifers not seen on shaftstop. +2 skills, fast run/walk, teleport, and huge str which saves stat pts.

A couple of run/walk charms do help but if your oppoent is faster than you, your in serious trouble.
 

DetroitWhat

Diabloii.Net Member
Ifrit18 said:
The body armor piece is technically the most important item in the game. If you go with enigma, you gain lots of modifers not seen on shaftstop. +2 skills, fast run/walk, teleport, and huge str which saves stat pts.

A couple of run/walk charms do help but if your oppoent is faster than you, your in serious trouble.
oh....

How would you edit my build?
 

Ifrit18

Banned
Bumping posts is not wise in the necro forums ;). Anyways.....

Wizardspike or Heart of the Oak ( I know you can at least get a wiz spike)
Homocolous (+2 unique necro shield we all love)
Trang gloves or magefist (20% faster cast is nice)
Arcanid mesh or a caster belt (at least 5% fast cast rate,life, +str, fast hit recovery)
Mara's ammy or a +2 necro ammy
2 stones of jordan or +huge mana rings
Marrowwalks
Shako or a +2 necro circlet
Enigma breast plate (important)

on switch have Call to arms weapon and a lidless wall. Cast Battle command, and Battle orders for huge life and mana.

As far as charms. +17-20 life small charms are good, fungal grand charms with a nice second modifer.

You don't need all that dmg reduction gear. If you feel you really need it, use a stormshield. Enigma+annil charm+ Marrowwalks will give you the str to use stormshield.

No points in bone prison
20 bone wall
20 teeth
20 bone spear
20 bone spirit
1 skill in clay golem, golem mastery, and summon resist

A clay golem can help a lot against amazons and barbs. A clay golem can slow down their attack speed (not Whirlwind) and use decrep for even more help.

Another useful modifer is fast hit recovery. People on this necro forum preach this as if it was the gospel :teeth: Aim for 56% hit recovery.

Tips: Avoid stat points in energy. If you need lots of mana, wizardspike and some +mana charms should be MORE than enough. Also avoid excessive str! You don't need str! Use little stat points in str as much as possible. Those stat points would help a lot more in dexterity for blocking or more vitality for life.
 

DetroitWhat

Diabloii.Net Member
Ok cool, thanks a lot ifrit, i really appreciate it. Sorry for the bump.

Last question if you get a chance to answer - why max bone wall and not prison?
 

Koreforce

Diabloii.Net Member
I'm building a PvP necro with the equipment you listed, but I have one question. About that enigma breast plate.....I have an enigma I made from a 3 socketed ELITE breast plate, called a "great hauberk".....will this vary at all from an enigma breast plate? Also, I need to know how much HotO's are going for now, because I need one myself, and I'm currently stuck with a wiz spike.
 

gvandale

Diabloii.Net Member
no points into prison so you can abuse the marrowalk bug.

if your uninformed about what that is, check the sticky on first page.

g
 

Koreforce

Diabloii.Net Member
what about an enigma dusk shroud? and if I'm going to get an enigma breast plate....would it be wise to trade my great hauberk for a breast plate one?
 
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