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Random Tournament 2008!

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  1. Vang

    Vang IncGamers Member

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    Random Tournament 2008!

    Well, its been a bit delayed on my part, due to relocation from Florida to Ohio, newborn baby, and life as a whole. But here it is!

    Rules:

    1. HC only
    2. RWM and RRM are allowed HOWEVER no rune words not found in vanilla 1.11 are allowed.
    3. Any player setting is allowed, please no cheese for popping chest.
    4. No MP
    5. No rerunning areas.
    6. All quest do not have to be completed neither do all waypoints need to be activated. Your points will be affected though.
    7. May not go back to previous difficulty. You are allowed to go back to a previous act to complete a quest(Imbue, Socket, etc)
    8. Any merc allowed
    9. Starter equipment may be used.
    10. Replays are allowed, and no maximum tries.
    11. Some one else must roll you up.
    12. You do not have to use any skill you get chosen if you choose not to(for instances you get increased stamina, you can elect not to place a point into it.)
    13. Re-roll: You are allowed to get a skill and/or Equipment choice rerolled once per character. Example: You get Sash chosen as belt, and choose reroll, it can be anything, including a sash again. Sometimes fate decides for you. Must be done at beginning of character.
    14. Atma is allowed as an extended stash only
    15. No save and exit when your about to bite the dust.

    UPDATE: End DATE: The normal around the forum seems to be when no one is interested in it anymore, so once it falls into the barren pit for a couple weeks, I'll make a last call post to anyone still involved and working on it.

    Scoring:

    1 point per waypoint.
    2 points per quest complete.
    5 points for difficulty completed.
    In the event of a tie, lowest character level will be declared the winner. (Bragging rights)

    Skill choices:

    1 Reroll is allowed.
    You will get a random roll to decide your skills. You may choose a max of 3 in one skill tree. You can choose 3-1-1, 3-2, 2-2-1.

    For skills, go left to right in order. So Barbarian combat: 1 Bash, 2 Leap, 3 Double Attack, etc..10 Berzerk
    *In the event you are a Barbarian, and choose the mastery tree, you are free to say, mastery as weapon choice(if a mastery is not rolled, you will have to choose then)
    *If you are a druid, you are free to shapeshift into any form that can be used by a skill you are rolled, with 1 point.

    Other notes: Items with passive skills are allowed to be worn, items with charges are allowed to be used(as you pay with gold or cube to recharge it) and CtC items are allowed as well. +Skills of non-skills aren't allowed to be used

    Equipment:
    1 Reroll of a slot is allowed.
    Each slot is randomly chosen for you. The exceptional and elite versions of each base item chosen can be used. (Axe, Cleaver, Small Cresent)
    *Incase of Circlet(add to helm list as last one) all 4 can be used.
    Go top to bottom, for example: sash, light belt, belt, heavy belt, plated belt.
    You are allowed your choice of weapon type: Axe, Sword, Javelin, etc.
    A Class item is chosen as well.
    *Amazons have the option of either: Random or the same chosen type(Bow and Bow for example) So if your hoping for Javelin and Bow, you leave it to chance.
    *Assassin must choose a non-claw weapon since claw is class item.
    *Rings, Amulets, and Charms can be used freely

    MERCENARY equipment is the same for Helm, Shield, and Armor. Weapon is a free to choose from available items.

    Websites:
    http://www.random.org/nform.html
    Items list for rolls

    Sample character:
    Barbarian
    Skills, 2 Combat, 2 Warcries, 1 Mastery:

    (2)Leap, (9)Whirlind, (1)Howl, (7)Battle Orders, (4)Polearm Mastery.

    Equipment:

    (3)Belt, (10)Light Plate, (1)Leather Gloves, (5)Greaves, (8)Bone Helm, (5)Spiked Shield, (3)Horned Helm, (4) Poleaxe

    At this point, the player can choose one skill and one equipment to be rerolled.
    *Incase of Barbarian, he may elect to reroll Mastery, but does not get reroll of weapon automatically, must use that equipment reroll as well on weapon to get that option.

    You can leave out the (X), just doing that to clarify how skills and items are chosen.


    CLARIFICATIONS:

    Many questions have came up, so I'll try to answer them in an order to clarify them as to what the original poster wanted.

    "Questions, So you are free not to use a chosen skill. But you are only allowed to use chosen skills correct?

    Re-roll, must they be done before starting or at anytime during the game?

    Atma is allowed, does this mean tweaking is ok in this tourny?"

    Good questions.

    Yes, you can only use the chosen skills, but you aren't required to use any of them.

    Any re-rolls must be done before starting(You are free to start a character and not use anything but starter equipment, rings/amulets/charms, and placing stat points if no one is responding to a request for rolls)

    Atma is allowed as an extended stash only, no twinking of any kind.

    QUESTIONS REGARDING Holy Shield/Smite and TWOHANDED WEAPONS as well as bow using paladins.

    "I have a bow for a paladin and can't use Holy shield can it be rerolled. Reroll is Vengeance, but I can't use it still, can it be rerolled?"

    I just wasn't thinking with the bow, as a paladin, that really either is pretty useless to the character, and was more so stated for ones that are using a twohander by choice or randomly chosen.

    The real question then is, should the skill be kept, I believe it should be kept a choice, as certainly a shield will be able to provide a large defensive bonus while a vengeance shortsword is not as likely to be a game changer. I can't allow a reroll until 1of3 skills are chosen, as you could effectively "rig" your character, saying bow, 3 combat skills, and getting all three of them, while using your shield and basic weapon as means of survival.

    Now the same thing comes into play for an Amazon and Barbarians choosing twohanded weapons, as they will effectively knock off a portion of a skill tree(3 and 4) but they can't quite rig their character, as there skills in each tree are still melee based.

    Barbarian and Amazons clarifications:
    IF a Barbarian or Amazon decides(or mastery decides) that a two-handed weapon is used, then the following skills are auto rerolls:

    Poison Javelin
    Plaque Javelin
    Lightning Bolt(Amazon Jav tab)
    Lightning Fury
    Double Throw
    Double Swing
    Frenzy
    (UNLESS IN case of barbarian, the weapon that can also be a onehanded mace and axes type is allowed to be rerolled first, otherwise auto reroll the skills) *Swords can be one-handed by barbarians, so isn't included.

    Useless skill Roll Sample

    Originally Posted by erics
    @Aitrus

    Combat
    Stun
    *Double Swing*
    Leap Attack

    Warcries
    Battle Command

    Masteries
    *Spear*

    Items
    Helm
    Field Plate
    Large Shield
    Heavy Gloves
    boots
    sash

    Class Specific
    Assault Helmet

    Weapon
    *Trident*
    ---------------------
    Real quick, so everyone who is rolling so far understands this. Since Aitrus is using a 2handed weapon type, Spears(Thanks to Mastery roll), the double swing is now a useless skill, meaning he can not in anyway use it. At this point Erics, you go back and reroll it automatically(But still use a 1-10, but Double Throw/DS/Frenzy are all rerolls)
     
  2. Vang

    Vang IncGamers Member

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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    I'm going to do a:

    3passive/2bow amazon for starters.
    Weapon bow, class specific(bow as well)

    So roll me one up! Thanks!
     
  3. Morathi

    Morathi IncGamers Member

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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Just a slight suggestion.

    The point section is pretty useless IMO. Alot of people will be doing full clears and therefore have the exact same points. Maybe add another variable.
     
  4. Vang

    Vang IncGamers Member

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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Aye, thats why lowest level will win, no point in adding the -point per each level, if there happens to still be a tie, lowest total experience would be declared the winner.



     
  5. Merlin The Wizzard

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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    So why may the assassin not choose a class item? Or do they get claws assigned automatically? And what about synergies? If I roll Phoenix strike, may I pump the synergies even if I can't use those?

    Also, somce characters may run into problems. For instance, what if you roll Great Maul for your barbarian? First up you'll need to put about 16 levels into strength alone just to be able to use one, and then you must also wait till end of act 2 i think (on p8) to gamble one. That may cripple a melee build... That hand axe isn't going to cut it anymore halfway through act 1.

    If I may make a suggestion? Make it optionable to use the Imbue quest for an 'in-between' weapon in such a case. The penalty of course being that a) the weapon needs to be ditched the moment you get the weapon type of choice and b) it takes up the imbue you might have wanted to use for other purposes...
     
  6. Vang

    Vang IncGamers Member

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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Hmm..wasn't expecting so many questions actually, but it has been quite sometime since this was run last year.

    Guess I better add it some information:

    Random Tournament 2008! (Last years can be found here)

    All characters will be randomly assigned a set of skills and equipment choices to use.

    How this is done, through a randomizer(random.org, link listed in main post) each skill or equipment choice is assigned a number starting at the top and working its way down, or left to right then down(in the case of skills)

    So in order to be rolled a character you are required to do this(sample listed)

    Barbarian <--class
    Combat Skills 2, Warcries 0, Combat Passives 3 <--skills
    Sword <--weapon type you want(you do roll all choices including twohanded weapons 1-14 random roll in case of swords for example)

    (Looks like I failed to copy two extremely important sections to the first post)

    Skill choices:

    1 Reroll is allowed.
    You will get a random roll to decide your skills. You may choose a max of 3 in one skill tree. You can choose 3-1-1, 3-2, 2-2-1.

    For skills, go left to right in order. So Barbarian combat: 1 Bash, 2 Leap, 3 Double Attack, etc..10 Berzerk
    *In the event you are a Barbarian, and choose the mastery tree, you are free to say, mastery as weapon choice(if a mastery is not rolled, you will have to choose then)
    *If you are a druid, you are free to shapeshift into any form that can be used by a skill you are rolled, with 1 point.

    Other notes: Items with passive skills are allowed to be worn, items with charges are allowed to be used(as you pay with gold or cube to recharge it) and CtC items are allowed as well. +Skills of non-skills aren't allowed to be used

    Equipment:
    1 Reroll of a slot is allowed.
    Each slot is randomly chosen for you. The exceptional and elite versions of each base item chosen can be used. (Axe, Cleaver, Small Cresent)
    *Incase of Circlet(add to helm list as last one) all 4 can be used.
    Go top to bottom, for example: sash, light belt, belt, heavy belt, plated belt.
    You are allowed your choice of weapon type: Axe, Sword, Javelin, etc.
    A Class item is chosen as well.
    *Amazons have the option of either: Random or the same chosen type(Bow and Bow for example) So if your hoping for Javelin and Bow, you leave it to chance.
    *Assassin must choose a non-claw weapon since claw is class item.
    *Rings, Amulets, and Charms can be used freely

    Now to address questions Merlin:

    No imbue may not be used incase of a bad weapon roll(or reroll)
    The Weapon selection is a random one from a base type(that in the rules part I left out should clarify that part)
    You are only allowed to place 1 point into any pre-reqs of the 5 skills. You can then place 20 points into your 5 chosen skills(so in short, no synergy boosting other than the 1 point into the pre-req)
     
  7. Vang

    Vang IncGamers Member

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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Actually, as I entered another tournament with an Amazon, I'll change this to a barbarian.

    2combat skills, 2 warcries, 1 passives(weapon choice as mastery if rolled, otherwise mace class)
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    I'd like to apologise for my poor participation in the previous random tournament.

    It seems like an awesome concept, but I found the item restrictions too difficult to remember, and so kept having to dig through the whole thread to find out who'd rolled me up and what the restrictions were every time I sat down for a new play session.

    What I *should* have done is to print out the post(s) where someone rolled me up and then taped it to the computer, but I wonder if there is some way to do this on the forum to serve as a reference? Whether two threads (one of which *only* contains rolled up characters, the other for progress and chat and whatnot), or some other technical solution (a post on the front page of the thread which gets updated?))

    I'm not sure whether I can keep editing my own post ad infinitum, but as penance for my previous misdeeds I'll try to catch requests for rolls and rerolls and add them to the post immediately below this one. Apologies in advance for any and all suckage which gets dealt out.
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Vang
    Leap Attack, Stun, War Cry, Battle Command, Iron Skin
    Leather Gloves, Greaves, Heavy Belt, Avenger Guard or Cap, Kite Shield, Great Maul, Quilted Armour
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    I'd like to do a necromancer with 3 summoning and 2 curses. Weapon choice wands.

    Lol, had all your randoms done Vang but checked and saw Rick beat me to it. :p
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Kedali - 3 summon 2 curse, wands
    Raise Skeleton, Skeletal Mage, Summon Resist, Terror, Confuse
    Light Gauntlets, Heavy Boots, Heavy Belt, Yew Wand, Kite Shield or Gargoyle Head, Crown, Hard Leather Armor
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    I see that it won't let me edit the post after a certain (short) length of time. That is a shame.
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Thanks Rick. Can you reroll Terror and Hard Leather Armor please?
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    I guess it's time for me to participate in a tournament!
    I hope im doing this right.

    Assassin
    3 Shadow Disciplines, 2 Martial Arts,
    Weapon: Mace
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    No worries.

    Reroll of Terror gave Confuse, which you already have so I assume that is an automatic reroll which gives Life Tap.

    Hard Leather Armour rerolls to Field Plate

    Kedali - Necro 3 summon, 2 curse, wands
    Raise Skeleton, Skeletal Mage, Summon Resist, Confuse, Life Tap
    Light Gauntlets, Heavy Boots, Heavy Belt, Yew Wand, Kite Shield or Gargoyle Head, Crown, Field Plate

    NB: although it hasn't happened yet, what happens if say for instance Increased Stamina got rerolled as Increased Stamina? I'll assume for now that because you only get one reroll it would suck too much to get the same thing right back, so that skills/items rerolled won't reroll dupes.

    Also that for skills if you roll the same skill 2-3x then those are rerolls, because it seems to me that the intention of the rules is that for a given gear selection, you must have five _usable_ skills (not the same as five skills that don't suck...). Otherwise you'd get to level 60 or 80 and not be able to spend your skill points.



     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    If someone asks to reroll a sash (using the example from the original post) and it can be rerolled as a sash, I'd say that rerolling a skill and landing it again means it's set in stone.

    OK, I might as well see what can be done in this tourney. I forsee a quick death after rolling crappy skills. A LOT can go wrong before the character is even created.

    I'll go with an Amazon. 3-Bow&Crossbow, 2-Passive. Bows for weapons, please!
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!


    Winmar - Assassin 3 shadow, 2 martial arts, mace
    Burst of Speed, Mind Blast, Shadow Master, Dragon Tail (x2), Claws of Thunder
    Heavy Gloves, Greaves, Heavy Belt, Crown, Small Shield, Blade Talons or Club, Splint Mail
    as noted above rerolled second Dragon Tail to Claws of Thunder

    Well, the heavy belt, greaves and crown are very popular. So I suppose a word on methodology is in order. I'm using the randomiser suggested by Vang, and trying to roll up numbers in batches. E.g. those items of which there are only 5 I'm doing a bunch of numbers and then just taking them in the order of which I've got the tabs open in the browser. Same with skills, generate 10 and take the first five (or six in the case of winmar).

    In the case of the Heavy Belt, it hasn't been the first number generated either (which would have been suspicious), it is buried in the middle of a bunch of generated numbers. Unless it gets ridiculous, or told otherwise, I'll keep using random.org.



     
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    Well spotted. Will do.

    The nice thing is that if you die, you might get something better next time! :)

    I also find it interesting what people ask to reroll, it usually isn't the same as what I would have picked.

    TheReadMenace - Amazon, 3 bow & crossbow, 2 passive, bows
    Cold Arrow, Multiple Shot, Guided Arrow, Decoy, Valkyrie
    Heavy Gloves, Chain Boots, Sash, Reflex Bow or Hunter's Bow, Crown, Spiked Shield, Plate Mail



     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Thanks rickcarson! Could you reroll DTail and Greaves please?

    I tried to do the rolls for TheReadMenace but you beat me to it, you could say i got "Rickrolled" :thumbup: (stupid joke, i know)

    Btw, Maces was a crappy choice, luckily i can use claws or i would be screwed. I should have gone for Bows.
    I was kinda hoping for a Flail-type of weapon so i could make Black. But i really need to re-roll those greaves instead since i can always use claws.
    But im guessing the DTail will reroll into Dtalon and the Greaves into Boots :p

    But im happy with the Shadow Disciplines.

    I also got a question, perhaps a stupid one aswell.
    Since i got Mind Blast, i need to put 1 point into CoS. But i'm not allowed to use that skill anyway right?
     
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    Re: Random Tournament 2008!

    Rerolls ... Claws of Thunder (auto rerolled (since you already have it) to...) Blades of Ice

    and Chain Boots

    Oh, thats bad.

    Correct (I think).



     
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