Question regarding monster drops.

[ChaoticOrb]

Question regarding monster drops.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

From what I've read, Mlvl and Ilvl determines what a monster can drop, and AreaLvl determines the Mlvl.

My main question is, how do I know a Unique item's Ilvl and a SuperUnique Monster level?

Example: Windforce and NM Meph.

I know NM Meph doesn't drop WF but, what excactly is NM Meph's Mlvl and WF's Ilvl?

I believe that the required level for wearing is not the Ilvl.

Please do not mind my noobish questions. Thanks all.

 

[Myrakh-2]

Actually, you are mixing up some things

Most important thing is the area level (they aren't used in normal, but nobody cares about normal anyway).

The area level determines the monster level (mlvl); champions get a +2 bonus, bosses and their minions get a +3 bonus. Act bosses have their own mlvls; don't know about superuniques/quest bosses.

The item level (ilvl) is set to the mlvl of the monster dropping it --- it's not a property of the item, just an indication of who dropped a particular piece.

In order to drop an item, the monster has to go through a number of requirements:

It must be able to drop the base item (such as "breastplate"). This is where TCs come into play which I don't know a lot about, so I'll skip the level requirements here.

If a monster decides to drop an item, and has selected the base item, it will then determine the quality of the item (cracked, normal, superior, magic, rare, set, unique). For magic and rare items, affixes are rolled based on the ilvl (which is the same as the mlvl, described above), some obscure property of the base item, and the affix level of the available affixes.

If the quality is set or unique, things are simple: every set and unique item has another quality level (qlvl). In order for a monster to be able to drop that set or unique item, the ilvl has to be at least the qlvl.

As a made-up example: suppose a monster can drop a breastplate, and decides to do so. Suppose it wants to drop set quality as well. So it will come up with the Isenhart armor. Suppose that the Isenhart Armor has a qlvl of 20 --- if the monster is only mlvl 19, then it cannot drop Isenhart armors, even if it can drop breastplates.

I believe the Windforce has qlvl 87 (highest in the game). As such, only monsters with mlvl 87 or higher can drop it. I believe all these monsters can drop the hydra bow (base item) as well, so that won't be a problem.

The level requirement has nothing to do with the drop process; it's simply a value in the item/affix database, in "foo-bow has +3 damage, 20 lightning damage, level requirement 23".

 

[ChaoticOrb]

Thank you. Finally someone replied. I've got more question.

So how do people know what monster drops what items?
Let's say, NM Baal drops Buriza. How do people know?

 

[Humphrey]

Thank you. Finally someone replied. I've got more question.

So how do people know what monster drops what items?
Let's say, NM Baal drops Buriza. How do people know?

I would have replied earlier except I knew someone would be able to explain better!

How do people know what? How do they know if a particular Buriza has been dropped by NM Baal? Or how do they know if NM Baal can drop a Buriza?

If you are asking the former, the answer is that they can't tell where it's come from on B.net.
To find out who can drop what people tend to use ATMA, there is a link in the ATMA sticky in the Single Player Forum.

 

[Hrus]

Actually Windforce has qlvl 80, it means that all monster capable of dropping Hydra Bows can drop Windforce. (edit: at least I think so, I am to lazy to verify this)
Qlvls and Mlvls can be found in Atma too.

 

[ChaoticOrb]

I would have replied earlier except I knew someone would be able to explain better!

How do people know what? How do they know if a particular Buriza has been dropped by NM Baal? Or how do they know if NM Baal can drop a Buriza?

If you are asking the former, the answer is that they can't tell where it's come from on B.net.
To find out who can drop what people tend to use ATMA, there is a link in the ATMA sticky in the Single Player Forum.

Oh thanks. You got it right and wrong. I'm asking the latter, "how do they know if NM Baal can drop a Buriza?" Thank you.

So if WF has a qLvl of 80 and if Hell Pindle has a mLvl of 85 (I said **IF** :lol: ), Hell Pindle can drop a WF?

 

[krischan]

Hell Pindle is mlvl 86 and he can drop from any TC, so he can drop any set item and any unique, except for the L87 ones which are Tyrael's Might, Azurewrath and Arachnid Mesh. For the sake of completeness, he cannot drop cow set items, the Annihilus and torches.

In contrast, hell Meph is mlvl 87, but his maximum TC is 78, so he can drop Arach and Azure, but not things like Tal's armor and Tyrael's.

 

[thegiantturtle]

In the general sense, Monster M can drop Unique/Set item X if and only if:
-M can drop from the TC containing X's base item
-M's mlvl >= X's qlvl

For the Cow King's set, add the condition that the monster is a cow.
The Annihilus and Torch charms and the Standard of Heroes are Special cases.