question on manners: wolf druid vs. zeal

[SicHalo]

Well, technically BvC is the most bm build ever. Aura stack (fana,freeze),crossclass skills (tele,guided),ctc curse (tap) etc. But for me bm as a concept is crap anyway. As for euro pvp...A hammer pally can't use concentration aura vs barb...The people there are working full time to make the game totally unbalanced. Last time I checked their top 20 was full of sorcs,there are 3 barbs and no pally...Pure balance.

too me i think all of these rules just make things worst anyway. And with all this regulation, wouldnt a hammer vs barb be a unfair fight anyway, i.e no widowmaker, no forti, no leap?

and a BvC without leap and 2x botd would just suck imo.

Its just dumb some builds with all these rules and regulations become completly useless, thats why u would probably see more sorcs than any other type of build.

And what about vs a char like foh, is this build even allowed or do they limit the amout of res you stack?

 

[Ce Olba]

too me i think all of these rules just make things worst anyway. And with all this regulation, wouldnt a hammer vs barb be a unfair fight anyway, i.e no widowmaker, no forti, no leap?

Well, the rules pump up sorcs, as they limit +max resistance %, stacks, absorbs, etc.

and a BvC without leap and 2x botd would just suck imo.

That's why most Euro-PvP Barbarians seem to be dual mastery and max block.

Its just dumb some builds with all these rules and regulations become completly useless, thats why u would probably see more sorcs than any other type of build.

Gogo, there's no ww/trap hybrids (as they classify a "hybrid" only as one that uses kicks and ww), no BvCs (no tele). In short, most hybrids are dead there.

And what about vs a char like foh, is this build even allowed or do they limit the amout of res you stack?

They limit the amount of resistances you can stack, so Fohers and cold sorcs shine.

Well, technically BvC is the most bm build ever. Aura stack (fana,freeze),crossclass skills (tele,guided),ctc curse (tap) etc. But for me bm as a concept is crap anyway.

CtCs do not trigger in WWs, Aura "stacking", no, I wouldn't say so, only 1 aura at a time. Crossclass skills, what chars do not use teleport nowdays?

As for euro pvp...A hammer pally can't use concentration aura vs barb...The people there are working full time to make the game totally unbalanced. Last time I checked their top 20 was full of sorcs,there are 3 barbs and no pally...Pure balance.

Well, they think it's "balanced", but they're too darn stubborn to see that it's by far _not_.

 

[Noite Escura]

What are the restrictions for Necros?

 

[Ce Olba]

What are the restrictions for Necros?

At max 18% DR
No Bone Prison, except in NvN
No Bone Walls in NvN
No Teeth vs Blizzard Sorceresses
No spamming of Bone walls or surrounding the Necromancer or the Barbarian in Bone Walls in Necromancer vs Barbarian
No surrounding the Necromancer with Bone Walls/No spamming Bone Walls
If you use Bone Walls, there must be multiple entrances to the Necromancer

235% Cold resistance and 2 Absorbs versus Blizzard
90% Max 15% abs max or or 85% max 30% absorb vs Fireball
200% cold res and 2 absorbs vs Orbsorc
75% Max fire resistance versus Assassin
85% Max and 1 absorb versus Trapsin
80% Max 1 absorb or 85% max versus Hybridsin
85% max 1 absorb versus Paladin
90% max 1 absorb versus Lightsorc
85% max 200% res total versus Poison

No Clay Golem

These are the rules for 1v1. Of course no Teleport at all.

 

[kingdryland]

Fohers shine? They are totally nonexistent there it seems,at least on 1v1. And you say that hybrids are practically absent?? Check this rule:

- Paladin is not allowed to use the skill "Smite" against Barbarians

Which practically means there are no smiters allowed there,lol...

 

[Uncle_Mike]

Well, the rules pump up sorcs, as they limit +max resistance %, stacks, absorbs, etc.



That's why most Euro-PvP Barbarians seem to be dual mastery and max block.



Gogo, there's no ww/trap hybrids (as they classify a "hybrid" only as one that uses kicks and ww), no BvCs (no tele). In short, most hybrids are dead there.



They limit the amount of resistances you can stack, so Fohers and cold sorcs shine.



CtCs do not trigger in WWs, Aura "stacking", no, I wouldn't say so, only 1 aura at a time. Crossclass skills, what chars do not use teleport nowdays?



Well, they think it's "balanced", but they're too darn stubborn to see that it's by far _not_.

Well, I guess it is more complicated really. I am not completely familiar with e-pvp rules but I almoast (my friend whom I was to team with quit the game for some time) joined a private league like that and after I have given it some thought it's not all that stupid. Yes, certain items are banned but this is because they are considered to be either unfair or overpowered.

My idea about those leagues was same as yours but then a friend of mine (a really good fire sorc) participated in a tournament and in the semi or quarterfinals was demolished 5:0 by a barb - no potting, no tele, no leap, no grief, no poison charms and so on. That started me thinking...

How often do you see Stoute cry about druids being underpowered and how poorly he does in duels because unlike all other classes (bears aside) he can't tele. You don't....

I am a big fan of the beast runeword but I also understand that someone might consider fanaticism a paladin-only skill. Abs and stack are limited, but games also take place in normal or nm (depending on duels) so it does not mean that you end up with -50 in hell to all elements. Same with abs or max res - both are allowed but not to the extent when you can almoast completely nullify someones dmg.

Sorcs overpowered - maybe because of their "natural tele" but for example my friend told me he was not allowed to use es vs bone necros. That meant that about 2 bone spirits were enough to finish him. Overpowered? hardly...

Such duels are just very different from the public duelling scene, not worse, but very different.
my 2 cents

Mike

btw - I am referring to the Polish Clan League all the time, don't know e-pvp rules but they are probably quite similar, at least in their general "flavour".

 

[SicHalo]

I personally think its a waste of time.

I mean certain general terms on the amount of abs to use etc is understandable but stating, such as certain skills like smite, tele etc is bm or not allowed to be used, or certain items excluding bugged items can not be used. By taking away certain abilities, in item choice and skill choice certain pvp chars simply will not exist in leagues like this or they would be very watered down or underpowered builds.

 

[Uncle_Mike]

I personally think its a waste of time.

I mean certain general terms on the amount of abs to use etc is understandable but stating, such as certain skills like smite, tele etc is bm or not allowed to be used, or certain items excluding bugged items can not be used. By taking away certain abilities, in item choice and skill choice certain pvp chars simply will not exist in leagues like this or they would be very watered down or underpowered builds.

It's a matter of choice of course, but still, it takes a lot of skill to participate in duels like this as well. Now this sorc I am mentioning, we are like 30:3 for him and he does not even use cta (he is not at all the kind of sorc that stays 3 screens away from you btw). And yet he lost bad to a barb. Ofc he clears pubs easily but we know it hardly means anything. This is not to say that such leagues are superior - whatever floats your boat I guess. I am a pub player and consider my bvc to be crippled without leap, still, there are players out there who can manage without it and do just fine or superb even. Not to mention that teleport is out of question...

Mike

 

[SicHalo]

same here im more of a pub guy and when i did make my second barb which was a bva which had a gimpy leap i was not happy. So for me to lose my Grief + beast and leap and possibly tele to run on foot does not impress too much either.

I mean some char maybe can benifit from this type of dueling, ie fury druids etc. but its too much of a change to just adapt to like that for me.

 

[Sechler]

Actually grief being bm is a peculiarity found in Us East only. West and europe find grief perfectly gm. The reason why east meleers find grief bm is that at a cost of a Lo and a mal everyone can get a weapon that brings their precious fool's rares,415% ebotdz,EDC etc in disadvantage or even can put them to shame. The excuse is the ctc venom on grief which is really pitiful damagewise.

I've never seen or heard that on East ladder, in public or priv games. Although, I'm more of pub dueler at this point. Maybe it's some weird clan rule or something. Honestly, I would lmao if I heard someone say that.
If you're a fury druid and not usin grief, you're bad mannering yourself, lol.

 

[Jackson]

- Paladin is not allowed to use the skill "Smite" against Barbarians

Didn't anyone complain about that? ><

 

[Ce Olba]

- Paladin is not allowed to use the skill "Smite" against Barbarians

Didn't anyone complain about that? ><

Smite would be totally useless there, as they ban items with hit slows target by x%, which would make it no-Astreon, and Redeemer is pretty slowish.

 

[kingdryland]

In any case,with slow or without,this rules out smiters. If you have a smiter and want to compete,you just can't. Vs barbs you'll be left with holy bolts only. Imagine a rule like "barbarians can't use the skill whirlwind vs melee druids". doh

 

[Lyrs]

New rule: You can only use skills and items available at lvl 1

gg kkthnx