Question about a PvP necro.

Shadow752

Diabloii.Net Member
Question about a PvP necro.

Hi all,

During my recent dueling games I have come across several PvP bone necros. Most of these were the typical player just trying to use a good class to win but some others stood out. After some duels with these necros I asked them some questions. One being how much life and mana and alot of them replied "3k life 1k mana" Then they told me they had max block.

I have encountered this before and I was wondering, are these stats really possible? Seems a bit far-fetched. So I turn to the necro forums where hopefully some pro necros can give me an honest answer. Thank you all in advance for any help I may recieve.

Regards,
Shadow~
 

groaninronin

Diabloii.Net Member
I have made a pvm nec, hyrbrid summoner/bone and with a cta
have had 2k life and 1k mana( this is with 387 vit ), but I use this
for mf so had mf charms and the odd life charm.

I would imagine a pvp bone nec would be able to get about 4-500 vit and
with a cta have a very nice life, what this works out to in life pts Im not
sure, but a pleasing number no doubt.

next time ask them how much life they get from chars and what there vit
is, also there are items like dungo's that give vit or life( but i would imagine
pvp bone necs would rather use arachnid mesh for 20fcr and +1 skill )

Hope that helps a little
 

Alex Kerensky

Diabloii.Net Member
I am bored, so I'm just going to calculate out how much possible life someone can get from charms and stats. The equipment side, I don't know, as I don't feel like looking up all the stats. Well, I guess I can give it a shot.

First, I'm going with level 90 just because it's an even number.

Starting Stats:
Strength: 15
Dexterity: 25
Vitality: 15
Energy: 25

Hit Points: 45
Stamina: 79
Mana: 25

Each Character Level:
Life +1.5
Stamina +1
Mana +2

Attribute Point Effect:
1 Vitality point gives 2 Life
1 Vitality point gives 1 Stamina
1 Energy point gives 2 Mana

Number of Possible Stat Points:
89 levels * 5 = 445 + (3 * stat quests) = 445 + 15 = 460 stat points

Possible Point Allocation:

Max Block:
dxt = Dexterity
clvl = Character Level
TB = Total Blocking or Desired Blocking Percent (likely 75% or max block)
B = Total amount of blocking from all of your items

{(TB * (clvl * 2)) / B} + 15 = dxt
clvl = 90
TB = 75
B = 72 (Homunculus)
{(75 * (90 * 2)) / 72} + 15 = 202.5 = 203 Dexterity (-20 from Annihilus and -2 from Harlequin Crest and -5 from Mara's Kaleidoscope) = 176 Dexterity

Strength:
A Breast Plate Enigma requires 30 Strength, so I will go with that number.
15 Stat Points are used as a result.

Total:
176 + 15 = 191 used Stat Points
460 total - 191 used = 269 free Stat Points

Assuming no points are spent in Energy, that leaves about 269 (plus 20 from Annihilus and 2 from Harlequin Crest 5 from Mara's Kaleidoscope) points into Vitality for a total of 296 Vitality points, which gives us 592 Life from Vitality.

Life without Items:
592 Vitality Life + 45 Starting Life + (1.5 Life per Level * 89) = 770.5 = 771 Life

Possible Life /w Charms:
10x PnB GCs /w +40 Life = +400 Life
1x 20/20/10 Annihilus = +20 stats
9x +20 Life (and secondary mods) Small Charms = +180 Life

Total Life from charms is 580 plus the +20 stats from the Annihilus.

Possible Life from Equipment:
This is just the gear I'm using from one of the PvP Necro guides. I am not referring to any Crafted or Rare Items, as that would take more time. And I will not be taking into account the possible Socketable items. Nor will I use Marrowwalks.

And, for the sake of time and space, I'm only listing the equipment that actually affects the total Life.

Harlequin Crest:
+2 all Attributes = +8 life (-2 from needed Dexterity points)
+1.5 per Level = 1.5 * 90 = 135 Life
Enigma:
+5% Maximum Life
Heart of the Oak:
Level 4 Oak Sage charge = +45% Life
Waterwalks:
+65 Life
Mara's Kaleidoscope:
+5 all Stats = +20 Life (-5 from the needed Dexterity)
Call to Arms:
+6 to Battle Orders = +50% Life

However, including all other + Skills, Battle Orders will be at level 18 (+6 CTA, +1 CTA, +1 Arachnid, +2 Shako, +2 Maras, +2 SoJs, +2 Enigma, +1 Anni, +1 Lidless = 18) for +86% Life.

FINAL TOTAL (Finally..)

(771 Life + 580 Charms + 135 Shako +65 Waterwalks) * 1.5 Enigma * 1.45 HoTo * 1.86 CTA = 6274.5705 = 6275 Life

**

Okay, I'm done. :cheesy: I probably made a ton of mistakes in there, but that's what I got. If you guys want to do the math, be my guest. The biggest worry I have is the attributes part, as I'm fuzzy if that came out correctly.

I believe that primary factor affecting my final answer of 6275 Life is the inclusion of the Oak Sage. Most PvP people do not use that, as far as I can tell, so that is what adds to the almost two times jump in life.

Sleep......................
 

Pallidum

Diabloii.Net Member
You did make a couple mistakes towards the end. Those are percentages, therefore the 5% from enigma is calculated as .05, not 1.05 (1.05 would mean 105%). Hoto should be .45 and CTA .86.

Also in the new patch, + life per level and vitality modifers are not included in the BO calculations. This means that any life gained from them are tacked on after BO. Therefore the life from shako, anni, etc. are separate variables and should be added only after all other calculations are done.

So, using your numbers, but making the necessary adjustments, I came up with this.

A = 771 life (life without items)
B = 580 life (life from charms alone)
C = 65 life (life from waterwalks)

D = A + B + C = 1416 (life from + life modifer only)

Now the percentages.

From Enigma = 5% of 1416 = 70.8
From CTA = 86% of 1416 = 1217.76
From Oak Sage = 45% of 1416 = 637.20

Total life= 1416 + 70.8 + 1217.76 + 637.2 = 3341.76 = 3342

Now X life is equal to life from shako and vitality from equipment.

X life = 135 life from shako + 30 from anni + 7.5 from mara = 162.5, or 163.

Grand total = Total life + X life = 3342 + 163 = 3505 Life points.

This seems to be more accurate because it is virtually impossible to reach 6k life with a necro, even with the best possible endgame equipment. Also, one can easily see that + life from equipment is more beneficial in the long run because it gets calculated with the percentages.
 

Alex Kerensky

Diabloii.Net Member
Oh, yes, I see what you mean. The 1.05 and such would violate some orders of operations. Good point about that.

Granted, the Enigma is supposed to be 1.05, and I did not know about the BO part.

Thanks.
 

TheKbob

Diabloii.Net Member
Granted 3K Life necros are far and few between if you dont have the cost to get those charms. Also, there is a downfall to having all those charms... no FHR. Everything has a weakness :wink2:

I had a great Bone Necro on USEast. Though Im sure someone like Soulesschild would spank me because that is their forte, with only 2K life on mine and about 700Mana, I made many people fear my name. I ran with one of the best barbs on USeast, EAP_theWW, and I would bail out his barbpk games when people he killed resorted to such tactics. I killed guys who had the 3K life and 1K+ Mana with my poor little necro.

Good Times. Sadly, most use AA now, I cant duel as well on a laptop and so I sold my Necro to do him justice.

~Kbob
 

Pallidum

Diabloii.Net Member
Well, fhr is pretty easy to get, shael the helm , wear a 24 fhr caster belt, and a 12 fhr grand charm = 56 right there. Tack on a pair of bloodfists, you get 86. Although shako wouldn't be my first choice when it comes to a quality pvp helm, it can still work when complemented with other accessories.
 

fallen angel of satan

Diabloii.Net Member
yea 3k life is more than possible, my necro tipped 2500 this season :D b4 i stripped him so i cud av more than 1 char lol.( although he used dforce so i didnt bother chasing max block)

On open recently i made a high lvl necro 4 fun 2 duel m8s(legit items)no added stat points or anything, he went over 3k without a problem and also had max block

the 1k mana is easily reachable with base energy when u take bo, frosties 2xsoj and other end game gear into consideration.

When my necro stuck on marrowalk 4 pubby duels he was basically imortal lol. thats if anyone could catch 125%fcr(9 frame tele).

Although atm he is naked :(
 

Shadow752

Diabloii.Net Member
Ty

Wow, I never expected to hear such detailed replies :D Thanks alot for taking time to write. It's great to hear that it's possible. Makes me want a necro. Sadly though I might be without computer access for a long time because of stupid hurricane Ivan -_- Anyways thanks again and wish me luck! I don't wanna die before I get to test out a necro!
 
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