[Q] Venom and Fade at the same time?

[BatTheMan]

[Q] Venom and Fade at the same time?

At work right now and I'll post this. This is HCLadder

As you all know ladder reseted and my first character was a pure DTalon and perhaps blade fury. I am now sitting at level 49 in act 4 nm, but I am still struggling on my next move in terms of skill distributions. I got inspired by the Ninja Guide. Looking at the skill chart I saw that at level 20 Mind Blast stuns for 6 seconds which I think combined with Cloak of Shadows would be great. Anyone knows if in hell it cuts the lenght of Mind Blasts ? Basically I'll support my Kick with the shadow tree instead of another MA skill or Traps.

My question is can you cast venom and fade at the same time? If not than I wont be putting skills into venom.

So far:
18 DTalon
1 in all Shadow pts except Venom
I have something like 25 unused skill points.

My plan will be something like:
18 DTalon
20 Fade
17 SM
15+ MB
15+ CoS
If Venom + Fade is true Then
20 Venom
Else
20 DragonTail (for PI)

I plan on getting a -10 weapon at least so I can reach fastest kicks without BoS. And dump some IAS. I wont be using TS with DT I'll just kick until it dies.

Any comments suggestions flame is welcome

 

[Jason]

The answer to your question is, yes, you can use Venom with Fade. You can use Venom with Burst of Speed, too, but you can't use Burst with Fade. If you hadn't noticed, venom damage will not show up on your character screen in your kick damage ... but of course it'll be there.

I'd suggest that you not max Fade though. In fact, you probably need not put more than ten or so points there, assuming you'll have some kind of +skill gear somewhere along the line. Dumping a skill point into Fade just for one more point of resist doesn't seem worth it to me, as a matter of opinion.

Also I'd max Dragon Tail, just for the slight boost in AR and damage you'll see. Then if you can come up with +4 to skills, you'll be up to five kicks. Five kicks > Four kicks.

 

[BatTheMan]

The answer to your question is, yes, you can use Venom with Fade. You can use Venom with Burst of Speed, too, but you can't use Burst with Fade. If you hadn't noticed, venom damage will not show up on your character screen in your kick damage ... but of course it'll be there.

I'd suggest that you not max Fade though. In fact, you probably need not put more than ten or so points there, assuming you'll have some kind of +skill gear somewhere along the line. Dumping a skill point into Fade just for one more point of resist doesn't seem worth it to me, as a matter of opinion.

Also I'd max Dragon Tail, just for the slight boost in AR and damage you'll see. Then if you can come up with +4 to skills, you'll be up to five kicks. Five kicks > Four kicks.

Ok thanks for clearing it up. My minds made up about fade though. I'll be have near max Resist and 20+PDR so I'll only need 20ish PDR equipments to have the 50PDR. I can then focus my equipments on other things like + skills leech IAS and life. I can understand though not wanting to max fade, but I'm trying something new here. And I think you mean DragonTalon not Tail.

 

[BIGeyedBUG]

Anyone knows if in hell it cuts the lenght of Mind Blasts ?


20 DragonTail (for PI)

MB stun is unaffected by difficulty level.

Dtail makes a poor PI solution, as the fire splash damage is based on the physical kick damage done. So release on a PI = 0 damage done. The only way to take out PIs with it is to release on a non PI in a mixed group.

 

[BatTheMan]

MB stun is unaffected by difficulty level.

Dtail makes a poor PI solution, as the fire splash damage is based on the physical kick damage done. So release on a PI = 0 damage done. The only way to take out PIs with it is to release on a non PI in a mixed group.

thanks yeah I remembered in bloody foothills in hell I would have to charge on a non PI and release my DTail on the PI.

 

[Jason]

Crap. Yeah, Talon, my fault. Actually, come to think of it, I never have any problem with physical immunes with my ww/kicker at all. Venom takes care of them, I guess ... that, and maybe the magic damage from my Chaos claw.