pvp ww discussion/advice

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pvp ww discussion/advice

well some may recognize me from my 200 some odd posts but i doubt it . heh. To introduce myself ive been a druid fanatic since day one of expansion release and ive always tried to make a druid that would stand above all.

my old 09. werewolf druid ate pretty much anyone up unless they had 40 3/20/20s.

my question is this . why the hell have we got low balled in new patch . everyone has gotten better what do we get ? well our spirits now actually work past lvl 20 ... and well caster/variants florish but what about those poor wolfs and bears (non flame).

i duel in pubs on us east and i have to tell you since day one ive always argued how a druid is the king melee .. well i might be changing my opinion.

with 30 k defence meleers who all have 20k atr up ( which used to be only werewolfs advantage ,high atr/speed)

how do we rise above these fiends ? . i mean even a 33 k atr wolf with 6 k defence dont match up well against a barb with uninterruptable attack that has 22 k atr and 34 k +defence while using conc.

Paladins with phoenix , high ed weapon , fort and zeal synergies can match furys power easily. which having as much or little less d then barbs.

ok ok many will say dont duel pubs .. i know people say exile and all these other items are bad mannered but thats bs in my mind. those items are there to use and as long as its not a dupe ( or old hacks like those monster iths ) its fair game. people who complain irritate me the most ... " oh exile is so cheap " ... its a item , and well blizz has a hard on for pallys big deal .. move on. even know pallys in 09 had everything and were giving the world again. ( ok even i complain abit )

ok ok im not whining .. slightly complaining yeah but thats human nature .. to not complain would be alien lol. i silently get angry when i see all these runewords come out and theres nothign for the druid ... most of the powered weapons dont hit bps ... ( then again if blizz gave us a weapon that was 4 frame and 400 ed everyone would complain about us lol, a vicious circle ).

in the end im still a druid fan and havent strayed, ( yes i have a conc barb, but hes just someone i wanted to make cause i loved the idea of conc barb , had one in 09 too ).

so brothers lend me your ears what do i do to compete ? i play ladder and i put my barbies grief on my druid for fun ( who is currently a mule ) i joined a duel game wearing greif and ss only . i killed 85 % of conc barbs/zealots/ pretty much anythign but smiters ( helpless against them) in about 1-3 furys ..

so thats some wicked dmg but my quarrel even when my druid had eth cara, storm eth jalals and 6 k d and 4 k life i was dying just as fast.

i was hitting all the break points fhr , fbr. i walked when i dueld , shift attacked a few times .. switched to ed-iased/lo griz caddy ( which was a slow killer compared to grief , even know much faster ). i had 45 % ows ...

what can i do to better myself ..

im gonna use grief .. but im looking for opinions on werewolf equip .

currently this is the setup-

397/39 grief
angelics ring/ammy
1654 fort balrog
shael ss
39/15 dungoes
chamed jalal/ zoded eth jalal/ shaeld ? not sure ( dont need cerebus i have a 28 k atr + and i like the fhr and res more on jalals.
uped 197 gores,
10/15 dracs
stash - eth zoded/shael/shael tomb reaver.for smiters/casters ( they still rock me )
normal switch- 3 bo cta and spirit .

and i have a full stash of dmg/atr charms

also i was thinking shapeshifting charms , these in the end would up you dmg , atr and life . and i remember having destroyed my friend who had a bunch of 3/20/20s with my 10 shape charms . but it wasnt enough to make me get more this patch.. heh so if anyone can clarify why dont more people use shape charms , more life , atr ( werewolf and fury ) and 12 ed i think each skill from fury - around that ) or maybe we should aim for the 3 frame fhr lololol


so people whats your opinions or are we just doomed to be second best compared to the d barbs/pallys.

DO NOT POST ABOUT 40/15S OR 3/20/20S YES IVE USED THEM IN THE PAST AND IM NOT PROUD BUT IF YOU NEED THOSE ITEMS, IN MY EYES YOU SHOULD JUST MAKE A PALLY AND THE TRUE CHALLENGE OF MAKING A GOOD DRUID IS NOT FOR YOU , BUG NON LADDER PUBS NOT THE FORUMS ( sry for caps all )

 

[Forcefeedback]

my question is this . why the hell have we got low balled in new patch . everyone has gotten better what do we get ? well our spirits now actually work past lvl 20 ... and well caster/variants florish but what about those poor wolfs and bears (non flame).

We are the underdogs. Seriously, the patch gave us a lot of variety with the two new viable attacks, fireclaw and rabies. Giving them synergies to make them do some damage they made hybrid shifters possible. Two good new items for a druid in 1.10 are the stone armor and carrion wind. The carrion makes the fury/rabies wolves much stronger via saving 20 skill points. Fireclaw/maul bears have received a very good armor that also makes them much more effective.

i duel in pubs on us east and i have to tell you since day one ive always argued how a druid is the king melee .. well i might be changing my opinion.

with 30 k defence meleers who all have 20k atr up ( which used to be only werewolfs advantage ,high atr/speed)

how do we rise above these fiends ? . i mean even a 33 k atr wolf with 6 k defence dont match up well against a barb with uninterruptable attack that has 22 k atr and 34 k +defence while using conc.

The interruptable fury is a major disadvantage and no way of getting defence on a wolf is a pain but at least shift fury autotargets and feral rage is handy if you can get it to hit for chasing people.

so people whats your opinions or are we just doomed to be second best compared to the d barbs/pallys.

No, we just don't get our dinner handed on a silver plate. If fury druids were overpowered and had cheesy items that nobody else has, the dedicated admiration of fury wolves would crumble and veteran players would desert them for something with more of a challenge.

My 2 cents.

 

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No, we just don't get our dinner handed on a silver plate. If fury druids were overpowered and had cheesy items that nobody else has, the dedicated admiration of fury wolves would crumble and veteran players would desert them for something with more of a challenge.

My 2 cents.

wow , thanks for this end quote its all ive ever believed in heh , i appreciate your 2 cents . thanks

 

[raiderjb]

Hey

Well I'm a furry fiend fan as well, always have been. I play Non L Eu however have been doing my ladder stint this time round to get some new rws. What I was looking at was getting a pheonix shield for the 350 / 400 ed. Maybe coupled with a grief PB. Trouble is that grief gets 70 w ias max. Hmmz can't remember what bp that hits but it sure isnt the fastest. Next up from a BOTD zerker I guess.
Other thing it would do is leave you with a difficult coice between eni and forti for your armour. With Eni you would be on 23 dam red so I guess you would need a BER BER coa then. Hmmz big sacrifice when compared with perf jalals or Cerebus.
But Ed of potentially 800% would mean good Ol Lo and 3 ias//ed caddy comes really back to the fore.
I'm not rich enough on ladder to try the combos but I will carry a grief, forti and phoenix over to non come the reset.
BTW try the fury//rabies combo using carrion ring. It really does rock and you can beat anyone if you guess the eq your opponent is using correctly. If he stacks psn go fury and vice versa.
Sry I'm just thinking whilst typing here, anyway some good food for thought.

Anyone know the grief Bps at say 30 35 and 40ias using a phase, my link to the calculator seams to have poofed along with a couple of nl hrs

Ah well l8ers guys

Raider

 

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Grief pb is 9/5 no matter the ias that spawns. So, you only have to trade for highest possible damage.

 

[Chimaira]

I agree that the melee druids got shafted in the patch...not all the new runewords are crap for druids... Oath looks very nice and the amors can be worn by anybody (this is more of a PvM perspective). Still it would have been nice if the pure melee skills got some synergies...maybe from summons, so that if you put points in grizzly you got 20% enhanced damage added to fury and Dire wolves would give +% life to lycanthropy... would also encourage people to use summons more.

Edit: Can't believe I forgot this... Druids rule!!!

 

[Weltkriegpally]

I agree that the melee druids got shafted in the patch...not all the new runewords are crap for druids... Oath looks very nice and the amors can be worn by anybody (this is more of a PvM perspective). Still it would have been nice if the pure melee skills got some synergies...maybe from summons, so that if you put points in grizzly you got 20% enhanced damage added to fury and Dire wolves would give +% life to lycanthropy... would also encourage people to use summons more.

Edit: Can't believe I forgot this... Druids rule!!!

I would rather see grizzly bear give the bonus to werebear, as he needs waaaaaay more help than the verdammten Hund, I mean werewolf. Problem is, most werebears haven't the skill points to do something like that, so its a hard problem either way.

--welt

 

[Chimaira]

It was just a thought...but of course both Bear and Wolf should benefit from any synergies. Perhaps if points in fire claws/rabies would add some elemental damage to Fury/Maul the same way that berserk adds magical damage to the other barbarian combat skills..

verdammten Hund=