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PvP WW: 1.10 Griswold's Caddy beats CCSoQ? Take a look inside! der

Discussion in 'Druid' started by Strid, Feb 25, 2004.

  1. Strid

    Strid IncGamers Member

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    PvP WW: 1.10 Griswold's Caddy beats CCSoQ? Take a look inside!

    Ok, so I hear people saying that CCSoQ still is the 'best' weaopon for a PvP werewolf. Well, take a look at this.


    Lets assume, that both weapon are perfect. And lets say you used Gore Rider and Highlords for a total of 45% Deadly Strike (30% from HL and 15% from GR):

    Caduceus: 37-43 damage (40 avg), perfect would be 240% + 3x 40% + Lo rune.
    Listed damage on the Caddy would be 184 average

    Cryptic Sword: 5-77 damage (41 avg), perfect would be 300% + 3x 40%
    Listed damage on the CCSoQ would be 213 average

    Griswold's, (30% DS [HL] + 15% DS [GR] + 20% DS [Lo] = 65% DS):


    40 damage * (100% + 360%) * (100% + 65% DS) = 303.6 damage average


    CCSoQ, (30% DS [HL] + 15% DS [GR] = 45% DS):

    41 damage * (100% + 420%) * (100% + 45% DS) = 309.14 damage average


    So the damage on the weapon are about the same, when including Deadly Strike. Still the CCSoQ wins slightly.

    Lets try and calculate all this for a real druid. A real PvP WW has about 1000% ED total and lets say that he has +120 Max damage from charms. Take a look at this:

    Total damage (Perfect Griswold's):

    (40 damage * (100% + 360%) + 120 damage / 2) * 1000% ED * (100% + 65% DS) = 244 * 10 * 1,65 = 4026 damage average per hit.

    Total damage (Perfect CCSoQ):

    (41 damage * (100% + 420%) + 120 damage / 2) * 1000% ED * (100% + 45% DS) = 273.22 * 10 * 1,45 = 3961.4 damage average per hit.


    The prefect Griswold's Caduceus also beats the Perfect CCSoQ in these aspects:

    - Damage is way more steady
    - Less Str and Dex requirements
    - Its probably easier to find a such weapon on Europe where there are litterally no CCSoQs
    - The caddy is probably also cheaper to buy and the ED% doesn't vary that much, so you're more likely to get a good one.

    This is why I say 1.10 Griswolds is better than the CCSoQ.
    Please cast me into the Pit and poke me with sticks, if I made any mistakes in my calculations.

    Uhm, also feel free to throw your empty beer can or other beverage containers at me, if this is nothing new to you at all and/or I completely wasted your time.
     
  2. Æ’enris

    Æ’enris Banned

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    I've been saying this for a while now actually.
    Basically gris caddy is greater then or equal to a 280% or less cssoq, and the cost difference is insane.
     
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    *throws strid a full beer can* enjoi :thumbsup:
     
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    ~

    The only real advantage of the sword is, other than the thought of owning such a rare peace, is the way it looks on your druid if you prefer a long yellow thing over a hammer.

    Really pvp werewolf druids are rare themselves, too rare to make ccsoq's valuable in any way other than to a collector.
     
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    well oddly enough one of the best pvp druids on east (that i know) uses a eth BotD .... he can more or less kill me w/ one hit if im using HoW and i got 3.5k w/ HoW .... i get around 5.4 or 5.6k w/ oak out (i forget) and it takes him 3-4 hits (depending on how often ds goes off) to kill me. And he has ridiculous amounts of life. He was in a game beating everone w/o a sage the other night ...

    I think build has a lot to do w/ it.
     
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    This thread was comparing two weapons ;)

    But your right, due to the change in blocking {a.k.a. the lack of blocklock}, speedy werewolves tend to be weaker than titan ones.
     
  7. electricblue

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    the best PvP 7/4 1h fury weapon has about 280-300 avg dmg with a lvl requirement of 75.
     
  8. Strid

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    *Quickly grabs the full beer can* *Enjoys*
    Well, I'm not saying a word about what the "best" weapon is.

    By the way, electricblue, what weapon are you thinking of? I don't see any weapons that could do that kind of damage.
     
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    Æ’enris Banned

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    Me neither o_O
     
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    and your freind who uses eth botd zerk i know him. on east the best druid is probally doc who uses ccsoq and oak sage he is a strng druid i think and he owns voiceofnoobs is his name i believe. Another great druid on east is mr_rotten or something not sure on exact name.

    But overall most griz caddy users on east get pwned by ccsoq or cfkoq
     
  11. electricblue

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    guys, just read my guide, tired of saying that :)

    ethereal 450 ed phase blade with 2 sockets and +20 min, max dmg

    and it is not really that rare, just people are careless.
     
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    Strid IncGamers Member

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    Etheral Rare Fanged Knife:
    40% IAS
    450% ED
    Repairs Durability
    two sockets - Shael 40/15 IAS

    Dunno?
     
  13. Æ’enris

    Æ’enris Banned

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    Not that rare :)
    I find like 10 a day.
    I made one on open a few weeks ago to show them but link got lost in forum wipe I think.
     
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    I have got 5 such high dmg weapons till now, and thats just me. multiply with the number of 'rare identifier guy's :)
     
  15. Strid

    Strid IncGamers Member

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    COuld I make you post screenshots of a couple of those, just fort the fun of it. (Also for the drool-factor!)
     
  16. electricblue

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    ok, i ll include one of them in my guide in 5 mins.
    a 441 ed eth phase blade.

    and hopefully I will make you read it :)
     
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    done
    in the high end fury equipment page
    314 avg dmg. 1h
     
  18. Æ’enris

    Æ’enris Banned

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    You play on open and MOD your gear.
     
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    I both play on realms and single.

    no mods though, that is a diablo 2 lod 1.10 weapon found legitly
     
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    2 sockets 40ias? Worthless without it basically.
     

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