Pvp WF > Faith for bowazon

discordian

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Pvp WF > Faith for bowazon

Finally, the Faith Runeword is not necessarily faster than the Windforce, and in most cases is slower. I find people's lack of understanding on this particular item to be very irritating. Faith's Fanatacism aura provides an IAS of 31-33. The WF has 20 IAS. Socket the sucker with a 15/40 jewel and suddenly you have 35 IAS on your WF with a much higher damage potential and Knockback and Mana Leach. Plus the WF is much easier to get your hands on.
This is a quote from another forum. Is this true? If it is, why does everyone go with faith? the gears i use are 120/45(45ias), cats eye(30ias), ias(20ias) with other useful mods crafted gloves, Noils belt(10ias). If i use WF with a 15ias/40ed, will i be doing more dmg with 7 fps GA?
 

Lord Nyax

Banned
Um...which part is a quote? Can you use the
tag, please?

Also, people go with Faith because it has...erm...higher damage? The Fanat gives you a lot of IAS% so that you don't need a damn 40/15 jewel, it gives 300% ED and another 300% ED from the Fanat...

Your post is hard to understand...:undecided:
 

discordian

Diabloii.Net Member
Um...which part is a quote? Can you use the
tag, please?

Also, people go with Faith because it has...erm...higher damage? The Fanat gives you a lot of IAS% so that you don't need a damn 40/15 jewel, it gives 300% ED and another 300% ED from the Fanat...

Your post is hard to understand...:undecided:
Is that better? I have a Perfect faith (lvl 15 fanat, 344% ed, 2 skill, +3 bow skill.) I can get the windforce socketed with a 40/15 if its superior to the faith. The windforce with the 40/15 has 290% ED, +max damage per level, 35% IAS. The windforce can also add up to 547 base damage due to the mods and 10 str, 5 dex( which is 5% ED). I want to know which bow will have 7fps GA with high damage. Thanks for your help.
 

AnimeCraze

Diabloii.Net Member
Fanat's (and other skill based) IAS is different than item IAS, for some reason (ask the programmers why). My WF needs 120 IAS total for 2 frame strafe, while a faith GMB needs 40, even with crappy fanat. The higher break points are similar, but I don't know them since I don't PvP. I am pretty sure though, that you are not going to reach 7 frame with WF. And +str/+dex does NOT get added to weapon base damage. Finally, max damage=nothing. Average damage is what counts.
 

discordian

Diabloii.Net Member
Fanat's (and other skill based) IAS is different than item IAS, for some reason (ask the programmers why). My WF needs 120 IAS total for 2 frame strafe, while a faith GMB needs 40, even with crappy fanat. The higher break points are similar, but I don't know them since I don't PvP. I am pretty sure though, that you are not going to reach 7 frame with WF. And +str/+dex does NOT get added to weapon base damage. Finally, max damage=nothing. Average damage is what counts.
I'm not going to be using strafe. Just GA and Multi. My helm has 45% IAS, 20% IAS from gloves, 10% IAS from belt, 20% IAS from amulet, and 35% IAS Windforce. That is 130% IAS total from all those gears. I'm not sure if IAS works the same way with GA and strafe but will 130% IAS with windforce be enough for 7fps GA? I only use strafe for PVM which I never do since i mf with either a necro or sorc. :jig:



 

NASE

Diabloii.Net Member
I kind of don't like german, and by that I mean the language, its just noting for me, but I have to recognize, they make a very good weapon speed calculator.

http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english

I assume that it is correct or at least somewhere near correct. You need about 200% IAS to get the 7 frame GA with a hydra bow. So that's why people use faith, and because it frees some slot to put other gear on, gear you need.

May they keep on improving their programming skills.
 

discordian

Diabloii.Net Member
o, I thought the IAS was much lower for WF. One last thing im worried about is does the poison damage and lightning damage really take out critical strike? If it does why does javazons put into critical strike? All there main damage comes from lightning. I have some pdsc but if it means i lose double damage then i dont think its worth it. Some guide says it doesnt take out critical but many people also said it does. Does anyone have a real proof on how it really works?
 

ubermoose

Diabloii.Net Member
Poison damage doesnt make any difference to crit strike, just that the double damage doesnt apply to poison and other elements.

I think the rumor started because if you have a high amount of psn dmg and quite low physical dmg, then crit wont look like it does much despite the high dmg you see on your character screen. Also i think psn and other elemental dmg cancels the crit strike animation, so it doesnt look like it triggers. However ive never even seen the animation myself.
 

crazyskaterr

Diabloii.Net Member
Um...which part is a quote? Can you use the

Is that better? I have a Perfect faith (lvl 15 fanat, 344% ed, 2 skill, +3 bow skill.) I can get the windforce socketed with a 40/15 if its superior to the faith. The windforce with the 40/15 has 290% ED, +max damage per level, 35% IAS. The windforce can also add up to 547 base damage due to the mods and 10 str, 5 dex( which is 5% ED). I want to know which bow will have 7fps GA with high damage. Thanks for your help.


ur faith has +2 skills , and +3 bow skills?
 

AnimeCraze

Diabloii.Net Member
I'm not going to be using strafe. Just GA and Multi. My helm has 45% IAS, 20% IAS from gloves, 10% IAS from belt, 20% IAS from amulet, and 35% IAS Windforce. That is 130% IAS total from all those gears. I'm not sure if IAS works the same way with GA and strafe but will 130% IAS with windforce be enough for 7fps GA? I only use strafe for PVM which I never do since i mf with either a necro or sorc. :jig:
The thing is, 9/2 is a much easier break point than 7 frame. If it takes that much to reach 9/2, reaching 7 frame is going to be a lot more (which the post above says 200).



 

warcraftgosu

Diabloii.Net Member
the german calc says with lvl 12 fanaticusm aura (Assumimg you get a low roll)
you need 100% ias until you reach 7fps with the GMB
 

Lord Nyax

Banned
[ quote=Lord Nyax;4971254]Um...which part is a quote? Can you use the

Is that better? I have a Perfect faith (lvl 15 fanat, 344% ed, 2 skill, +3 bow skill.) I can get the windforce socketed with a 40/15 if its superior to the faith. The windforce with the 40/15 has 290% ED, +max damage per level, 35% IAS. The windforce can also add up to 547 base damage due to the mods and 10 str, 5 dex( which is 5% ED). I want to know which bow will have 7fps GA with high damage. Thanks for your help.
Yes, that's much better. Also, I laugh at the way my
messed up your reply. It made me happy inside. I think I'll put a
at the end of every one of my posts so that no one can reply to me! :sinister::badteeth:
 

NewForumBloke

Diabloii.Net Member
You can hit 7 frame with WF, but iirc it requires the use of a faith act 1 merc. Im sure its in a guide or a sticky or some not to far off thread...

-BLoke :smug:
 

Silent Shaddow

Diabloii.Net Member
just to pick up on what wirly said,
EIAS is the mod actually used to calulate the break points
any IAS is converted to EIAS before hand,
however there are some EIAS floating around anyways these come in the form of skills such as BoS and Fanat (not sure about frenzy etc) and also WSM are also in EAIS form.
therefore faith gives a min of 31 EIAS which equates to alot more IAS
 
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