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PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

Discussion in 'Necromancer' started by I Wolfs Reign I, Sep 28, 2010.

  1. I Wolfs Reign I

    I Wolfs Reign I Diabloii.Net Member

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    PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    ok i have looked all over the web and i have yet to find one competent person that can make a decent pvp summoner... well i have tried and failed many necros trying to perfect the pvp capabilities of the summoner or as i have been called the "lagromancer". First ill tell the gear since stat allocation should be obvious, enuff str. to put ur gear on uneff dex for max block(trust me u will want max block) and the rest into vitality. simple enuff. as for ur gear, for obvious reasons u will need nigma, defense isnt really that important becase u will not be the one taking most of the hits, ur minions will. wep # 1 will be a Beast runeword( the smaller axe u can get it in the better) the damage of ur wep does not matter because u will not be the one attacking ur minions will. ur 1st sheild should be a hommunculous for the max block and boost to skills. wep #2 obviously CTA sheild #2 can be ur choice of lidless or spirit watever u prefer i chose spirit. ur helm the easy choice would be a shako for the +2 skills and mana boost but u could also look for a circlet with +2 nec and +2 summon skills to make ur skeles even stronger for me price was no worry so i went for the circlet (socket this with an um for extra res).for ur ammy maras is the best i could think of because of the res and skill boost. as for rings 2x Soj is best for the huge mana boost it gives( ur skeles will be expensive). boots will be marrowalks for the boost to skele mastery the boost to str is also helpful for gettin ur armor on.i use a arach for my belt for the +1 skill but u could swap for another belt if u like. gloves could be lots of diff things i use dracs again for the boost to str. gloves can be changed depending on wat u want to spend on this nec. that finishes off the gear for ur nec ill make a list to show a little easier the gear for him

    1.Enigma
    2.Beast( Smaller axe is better here)
    3.Homunculus( for max block socket with um)
    4.CTA( Go for 6 BO =p)
    5.Spirit shield
    6.Shako or 2/2circlet( also with um)
    7.Maras ammy
    8. 2x soj
    9.Marrowalks
    10.Gloves are your choice i went with Dracs
    11.Arachnid mesh

    NOW time for teh merc... the best merc for a pvp summoner has GOT to be the nm desert merc with might u will see y u dnt use the one with thorns in a min. =p a big part of ur skeles dmg will come from ur merc so his gear is VERY important... his wepon is a pride cryptic axe with the highest concentration aura u can find this will make ur skeles super accurate and add LOTS of dmg. hi armor should be Bramble because of thorns this will make any smiter or other melee char think twice before rushing u and killin a skele or two the damage return will make him kill himself(very funny to watch) his helm can be andys or if ur like me and have no limit to the gear u can get go for a CoA with 2x ber. you merc will give u 3 crucial auras so make sure u keep him safe his might and concentration will basicly double the dmg of each skele which u will see later gets to be retarded high.

    now its time to get ur inventory full =P, again since ur nec himself doesnt do much fighting u dnt need lots of lifers or ar charms pretty much if u get 9x summoner charms a good torch and anni ur inventory is set simple as that. again if cost is no problem add as many res sc's as u want.

    ok finally we will get to skill point allocation ill put them in a list to save time and mak it easy to read

    20-raise skele
    20-skele mastery
    1-raise skele mage(they arent super strong so only max if u want to have lots of pawns)
    10- summon resist
    1-revive
    1- amp dmg( doubles ur armys dmg)
    1- bone armor
    the rest u can put into the golem of ur choice or into skele mages

    once u get all of your gear on and all the charms in ur inventory each skele should do about 800-850 dmg each =P and when u have 17 skeles doing 800 min dmg u get 13,600 MINIMUM if they all hit if u add all of the mercs auras and amp dmg u get somethin like this 17*800=13,600+230*800=184,000(merc has might lvl of around 20)+300*800=240,000( concentration lvl 17)now add all the dmg up 13,600+184,000+240,000=437,600.... keep in mind that is just the regular skeles that does not include vives golem or skele magies. ok i know that all of that math may not be exact lol but all i did was multiply the base dmg of each skele times each diff aura to see the dmg aslo i forgot to add in the 144% dmg u get from beast and the 110% to ar they get =/ after all of that dmg is added when u put amp dmg on top of that u double the dmg still. this character can also solo ubers just like a smiter difference being this one has other things for the bosses to atack instead of u =P

    IM SURE THERE ARE LOTS OF ERRORS IN THE MATH CALCULATION SO DNT POST BAK ABOUT THAT LOL. However if u r one of the ppl who is decent with math maybe u can figure out the exact dmgs and post that bak i made this char for fun and wound up remaking about 8 necs in the total process not including token uses lol but if anyone has any useful info on ways they think it can be improved lemme know. this is a build that can be VERY expensive but also kill just about all other characters the only char i have ever had trouble from was a windy druid =p skeles could use some fcr but other than that its nearly invincible so enjoy and feel free to post improvements

    look for me on bnet again soon ill post my new account name when i get it up =p

    ~W0LFS RE1GN~
     
  2. nurman

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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    Hammerdin. Max Block. 1shots almost all your skeletons with a single (or 2) hammers.

    Also, good luck telestomping ghosts (Mind Blast) or 200fcr sorceresses.

    Also, you only went with 20fcr. You should have at least 75 or 125 for pvp.
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    well,
    Swap gloves for trangs/magefist
    swap Shako for 2/20 FCR Circlet
    swap maras for 2/15+ FCR/~20 res all

    and there you have 75 FCR. Altough that ammy is gonna be difficult to get as hell...
     
  4. I Wolfs Reign I

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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    the fcr wasnt all that important because it take generaly one tele to kill just about ne one. as for the hammerdin the hammers will do massive dmg IF they tele on to u but if u take the fight to them by the time all ur skeles attack there 75% block will keep the from getting to cast a hammer, they have a similar problem if they try to jump you. as for the sorcs if u can dodge a few fire balls u can tele on them and they wont be able to attack if they are being hit by 30+ minions( thats if u have all ur vives and skele magies). like i said in the first post u can pretty easily take out anyone with this build. as for the imput on the gear thx a ton guys =p i have been lookin at lots of diff items tryin to get it right but there were a few sketchy parts after i get some more imput on here ill write one more guide that will be the finall draft. also lol still wonderin wat yalls ideas are on the damage lol i was in a rush and couldnt calculate it very good.

    ~ W0LFS RE1GN~
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    sounds like theory crafting to me. all the summoners i've met have been easy.
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    I PvP with a max fcr nova nec...and he has no problems with summoners at all. He'll never catch me and my poison wastes his minions...then he's dead.
     
  7. I Wolfs Reign I

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    the reason my necs have alwas done so good is the lagg that all the minions make by the time the game realizes that im on to0p of some one they are already dead that y i get called a lagromancer ^_^ also i have never had a prob with nova necs before yea the poison hurts but my summons dnt die till after the 4th or 5th nove wich is plenty of time to kill them. another thing lol i have met one other summoner since i started makin this char and i agree he was garbagei idnt even have to tele to kill him i just stood stil and when he teled near me my skeles killed all of his before i even took dmg but he also had no auras boosting his ^_^. again thx for teh imput guys

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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    That applies if the other person in the duel is running d2 from a commondore 64....


     
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    Even if we work this out with 125/86 setup he won't have maxblock due to the Beast he will have to carry. Not that it's needed actually since you have great meat shield.
    Skills after maxing skellies and synergies should go in 1 pt wonders (teeth/bone spirit for stunning?) and rest in bone armor synergies. That would give you some advantage since you don't have block.
    Gear something in lines of 2/20 circlet, 2/10 ammy with 2 fcr rings, Beast, Enigma, 35 Spirit, Trang's, Arach, whatever boots etc... It would still be hard to win with him consistently. If you can get 2/20 nec ammy that would allow you to wear Wisp Projector for HoW or Oak sages for additional dmg/life.

    You are on offensive here. People will run from ton of skeletons. You would have to go in face even to barbs. They can and will leap you out of minion stack and WW/zerk, trappers would stun your entire army with WoF + Mb + LS etc. Anything that pierces could cause problems to you, including most PvP sorceress. Lightning Fury zons...you get the picture ;) Summons are for most part BM (?) so don't expect to be greeted with GM rule set either. I'm not sure how it works for PvP but I would get fcr ring with confuse charges and after your teleport cast curse on your entire stack. It would be interesting to see what would happen after your next teleport :p

    Your gameplay would mostly be spaming teeth around hoping to throw them in hit recovery, then namelock for telestomping with minions stacked on top. Still spam teeth after you stomped him just to keep him stunned better for your guys to do dirty work.

    It is viable build but not in the way you recommended it. It can be used vs some classes but it isn't invincible like you think.


    My 0.2 cents.
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    Another useless thread.... no offence, but a half decent zon (lightning fury w/ pierce), windy, sorc, sin, hammerdin, barb (any melee char with a life tap wand) will pretty much waste a summoner (plus your setup is bad due to the lack of fcr.. good luck catching andone with that).
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    Wind druids are the only real challenge I ever face other than that I win allmost all of my pvp fights the only zon that ever killed me was a fc zon that just sat in town and jumped out to attack we barbs can get annoying but thorns will take care of most of them as for specs I never have problems with them uunless its a blizz spammer also dnt knock the build till u try it it might turn out that it works as good for u as it does for me :)
     
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    oh, i understand now, you've never dueled anyone good before. everything suddenly becomes clear.
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    Yep, think about it, if summoner is THAT good like the OP said, pvp in diablo will be flooded with summoners right now. It's not like it's hard for anyone to think of building a summoner (so don't think you are the one who "suddenly invented" this build).

    Btw we don't knock the build out of the blue (many many people tried it), but because we know how sucky pvp summoner is.
     
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    Quoted for emphasis.


    It may be funny against a total idiot / noob / 5-year old kid, but not against others.


     
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    Lol I play against lots of ppl that are good I dnt play bm and jump weak ppl I pick the ppl who kill everyone else (it takes a while to get all the skeles) also alot of ppl dnt use summonses cause they dnt know how to use it and because they are frowned upon beacaus they make the game run so slow lol
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    So you pvp in public duels? MMMMKAY.


     
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    Lol I go to pvp in pubs cause I dnt know of ne organized pvp
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    Huh? how hard is it to "use" a summoner build like yours?:scratchchin: You just summon, amp/decrep, tele stomp (or sometimes use the unsummon namelock for a surprise tele stomp). And sometimes you cast bone prison on those who can't tele and tele stomp.

    No offence, but building a summoner is very easy (and not something new also), anyone who have half a clue will know how to build one (not that it's good for pvp and def. not ALMOST unbeatble). :jig:



     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    I know its nor new but I can't find a decent build anywhere lol also alot of ppl got of the topic I was originaly tryin to talk about and that was how to improve my build not to criticize it and say that ur character was better :)
     
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    Re: PVP Summon Necro... ALMOST unbeatable

    Decent build? Imo the best build for PvP is a WW/trapper hybrid Does it cost alot? Yes. Does it kick ***? YEAH! Does it require skill?! ABSOLUTELY!
     

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