PvP Smiter Set-up

[sraid]

PvP Smiter Set-up

How would this set-up do in pubs? (Smiter)

'Ber' Harlequin's Crest
23 Mara's
398/40 Grief PB
6BO CTA Flail (switch)
Enigma Dusk Shroud
'Ber' HoZ
Spirit (switch)
Dracul's Grasp
BK Ring/Ravenfrost
Dungo's (12%)
BK Ring/Ravenfrost
Gore Rider
20/20 Torch
16/13 Anni
x37 19-20 Life SCs's

Stash: 'Um' Kira's

Stats: Base strength (charms/dracs/mara's bring me up to Engima, Engima brings me up to HoZ
Dex: 136 for PB, enough for max block with HoZ
Vit: Rest
Energy: None

Skills: 20 smite, 20 hs, 20 defiance, 20 fana, 1 salvation, any other skills I need? What should else should I max? Charge, might, or vigor?

Keep in mind: No CoA. Going for a vita build.

 

[PMurillo]

As I got some experience (and even my PvM oriented thread was thrown here ^^) with smiter - I can say some things.
First of all - it is obvious that you can't have kinda... universal build in terms of items.
Here I actually see a bit "not decided" setup. you aim at getting maximum PDR but in the same time you wear enigma - the first is for physical damage classes, enigma (if used) is rather vs casters.
Second thing - I remember in 1.09 having problems with equipping credendum belt - so you are quite steep on strength (last line should be HoZ brings me to dungo) :wink3:
Going for this is a bit risky, especially in pubies (maybe I am old fashioned with this corpse popping).
Next - grief gives you quite a punch in damage but it is not a reason to ignore it in other parts. Here I mean that for a smiter using HoZ - this HoZ should be definetely upped which brings us to 142 str. requirement. And this I think can be a reason to change from enigma to fortitude, leaving enigma for... maybe dueling those jailkeeping necs.
And I had a dillema with skills as this had to be PvM/ubertrist smiter (which could be 1pt smite zealot or hdin :/ ) and I went woth no guide similar build to you, later I got to vindicator guide - for PvP the only choice here is maxing charge.
Some perfectionists actually have the other Grief (namely zerk axe) for purpose of charge to get 1 extra range.

 

[Camden]

I would say gores --> treks, and maybe dracs --> bloodfists. Otherwise looks alright for a basic smiter :/

As for skills, just 1 point in vigor for improved desynch. I would suggest maxing resist light for the passive bonus but really it's entirely up to you. Personally I would also have pumped spare points into charge instead of defiance

 

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

As Camden said, gores + dracs are pretty basic. and I agree on the Charge vs Defiance. Your defense won't be anything formidable, especially without an exile.

As I got some experience (and even my PvM oriented thread was thrown here ^^) with smiter - I can say some things.

lmao. I have no experience with any smite or smite variant build other than the occasional 1pt smite on a hdin, but I can positively tell you enigma > fort for a smiter.

 

[sraid]

I think Ill grab some Treks and Bloodfists and switch Dracs, Kiras, Gores and Exile in for ubers.

Thanks.

Also, q on the armor.
My strength without putting any in will be 68. DS requirement is 77 (9 points needed). Enigma will bring me to 138, and Treks will take me over HoZ requirement. But, since my defense won't be anything outstanding anyway, should I switch the DS to a high Mageplate so I don't have to put any into strength?

 

[Camden]

I shouldn't post advice at 5am LOL.

I meant gores --> waterwalks ^^

 

[PMurillo]

lmao. I have no experience with any smite or smite variant build other than the occasional 1pt smite on a hdin, but I can positively tell you enigma > fort for a smiter.

I forgotten to put "recently" as i started to play it not so much ago and playing it mainly till maybe last week - and hdin is a caster and doesn't take advantage of damage bonus from fort, besides life bonus is way better, on top of that - read some opinions in the whole forum about hammerdin.
or better... I'll just put majorities' general short version opinion happy laughing guy:
"hammerdin w/o enigma (or rather w/o tele) in PvP = sh**".
although I don't fully agree as desynch hdins are far more dangerous.
smiters - I mean real ones not 1pt ones - are not that useless without tele.

 

[brokensvt]

Tele isn't the only important attribute on enigma, it's no coincidence that Enigma-using smiters can have over 4.5k life.

Greg

 

[Camden]

Tele isn't the only important attribute on enigma, it's no coincidence that Enigma-using smiters can have over 4.5k life.

Greg

that's low for any smiter =\

 

[Dennis_KoreanGuy]

I forgotten to put "recently" as i started to play it not so much ago and playing it mainly till maybe last week - and hdin is a caster and doesn't take advantage of damage bonus from fort, besides life bonus is way better, on top of that - read some opinions in the whole forum about hammerdin.
or better... I'll just put majorities' general short version opinion happy laughing guy:
"hammerdin w/o enigma (or rather w/o tele) in PvP = sh**".
although I don't fully agree as desynch hdins are far more dangerous.
smiters - I mean real ones not 1pt ones - are not that useless without tele.

ok, first of all, I was talking about smiters strictly, where the hell did the hammerdin come from? Anyways, I merely found this

As I got some experience (and even my PvM oriented thread was thrown here ^^) with smiter - I can say some things.

funny, when you also say this after;

Here I mean that for a smiter using HoZ - this HoZ should be definetely upped which brings us to 142 str. requirement. And this I think can be a reason to change from enigma to fortitude, leaving enigma for... maybe dueling those jailkeeping necs.

like, how does having a 142 str req shield give you a better reason to lose enigma?

enigma > fort for smiter, I repeat.

you are not making any sense whatsoever. so are you for or against the idea of enigma vs. fort on hammerdin or smiter?

and you are silly to take on such "oh all of you are so biased, while I'm not" kind of a view. You say the whole forum thinks hammerdin that cant teleport are **** <== note i didnt bypass the curse filter, the best hammerdin is to combine desynch with tele for maximum mobility depending on the situation.

no, smiters are definitely not useless even without tele. but why the heck would you suggest a fort over an enigma?

 

[PMurillo]

where did I get a thing about you talking about hdin?
read what I quoted from your previous post.

like, how does having a 142 str req shield give you a better reason to lose enigma?

he has base strength, and from what he said - this brought him to using HoZ (and what he didn't mention but was obvious - HoZ brought him to dungo) so let's suppose he has optimally 110 strength. and how the heck you wanna make this enough for wearing zakarum shield?

you wanna see funny thing? here you go:

I have no experience with any smite or smite variant build other than the occasional 1pt smite on a hdin

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enigma > fort for smiter, I repeat.

as for hammerdin - you started the thing and I only repeated you most of opinions here.

but why the heck would you suggest a fort over an enigma?

300% damage, resists, as we are talking about pubs, you can add triggering chilling armor for even more def, I wouldn't forfeit enigma at as I said before. I suppose you can read then for the rest go to my previous posts.

 

[Moritz]

A smiter that uses fort will never be as strong as a smiter that uses enigma.

e.g. how do you want to beat barbs that are decent without tele? it wont work.


also necros will lame you massively without teleport.

plus enigma brings lots of life, which, for me, overcomes fort's damage and resis.

 

[PMurillo]

also necros will lame you massively without teleport.

the same to you - read one of my previous posts, and find a line about necs being an exception, thank you.

 

[Moritz]

the same to you - read one of my previous posts, and find a line about necs being an exception, thank you.

I have read your posts. Even without necromancers enigma is superior to forti.


And even though you mentioned that occasional swapping enig for forti still means way lower life and unnecessary stashing.

you have to switch enigma basically against ANY good barb, ANY necro and anyone that uses marrowwalks.

in general, telesmiting and chainlocking is useful against almost any class I could think off, hmm wait, maybe not against fohers, but those should be no problem as a smiter anyway as they are easily stacked.

 

[PMurillo]

ok then... I forgotten again about no BM limitations (this concerns marrow charges). sorry guys I still just forget how lowly crap are public PvP matches now.

I still see nothin about my comments on base str.
He still needs that upped HoZ. and for those barbs I think berber CoA is a good choice but to no avail.
And save me crap about unnecessary stashing - any dueler that is obsessed to own nearly every1 and gives some guides on top-end gears for any occasion, for any class (I am not the one actually, but I see lots of such folks and wannabe's sometimes) has - from what he/she says - so many stashed items that talking about unnecesary stashing is a joke.

 

[Uncle_Mike]

ok then... I forgotten again about no BM limitations (this concerns marrow charges). sorry guys I still just forget how lowly crap are public PvP matches now.

I still see nothin about my comments on base str.
He still needs that upped HoZ. and for those barbs I think berber CoA is a good choice but to no avail.
And save me crap about unnecessary stashing - any dueler that is obsessed to own nearly every1 and gives some guides on top-end gears for any occasion, for any class (I am not the one actually, but I see lots of such folks and wannabe's sometimes) has - from what he/she says - so many stashed items that talking about unnecesary stashing is a joke.

1. don't be judgemental, there will never be a consensus as to what constitutes BM/GM. You may call it lowly crap PvP - Moritz may find it to be exciting FFA :smiley:

2. 142 str is not a problem for enigma users and both the OP and other posters suggested enigma for the main setup. AFAIK even characters playing leagues with item restrictions quite often use enigma - not for teleport, but for the str bonus, dr and massive frw.

300% ed on fortitude is not that impressive when compared to total ed% smiter gets from skills.

Mike