PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

fwing

Diabloii.Net Member
PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

Currently I have a GG blizz pvp sorc that pretty much 1 hits 95% of pvp players, but its getting that one hit that's sometimes trouble. I like the spam-ability of frozen orb but the damage is severely less than blizzard. One thing I really love though is the spam-ability of frozen orb. So I was thinking a 125 fcr orb sorc, but with orb it's the -cold that will do more good than +cold in my opinion as orb is not too great for damage.

Here is the set up I was thinking:
P Night Wings 5/5 faceted: +20% cold dmg, -5% cold
P Doom one handed wep: -60% cold
2-10 Ammy: +2 skill, 10% fcr
Um'ed Vipermagi: +1skil, 30% fcr, resists
Arach: +1 skill, 20% fcr
35 spirit: +2 skill, 35% fcr
x1 gg fcr ring: resists, life, 10% fcr
trangs: 20% fcr, cold resist
x1 soj: +1 skill
xx boots: w/e

So this works out to 125% fcr with a total of +11 skills from gear, +20% cold, -65% cold. Add 9 gcs, anni/torch and you have +24 skills total.

Now here's the cool parts: @ lvl 44 you do -235 cold damage. Add gear and you have -300 cold damage. @ lvl 44 frozen orb, max synergied + 20% nightwing you have 1035-1080 cold damage per shard. Someone with um'ed kiras, wizspike, 40 res anni/torch, +65 CoH, +50 other random resist points (from various items) + 30 from anyas will have 345 resists (this is the worst case super stacked scenario). -300 from you and -100 from hell, they're STILL at -45 resists. You will be averaging 1073/6 pvp = 179 damage per shard on stacked pvpers. If we assume 3-4 will hit then we're doing 536-714 damage per orb on stackers. With the avg pvper at 2k life, with tanks around 5k, we're going to kill stackers in 3-4 orbs and tank stackers in about 8 orbs. Not too too bad, especially with the spammability and massive range of frozen orb.

Normal pvpers will not be so lucky and it is actually pretty safe to assume you can get most people at -100 resists when you're doing -300 cold resists. This means double damage. We're now doing 2070-2160/6 = 345-360 damage per shard x 3-4 shards = 1059-1412 PER ORB. Holy balls that is sexy.

So what do you guys think. Sexy???
 

SepticFairTrader

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

man you've got this all wrong.

Heard of cold mastery? I think -100% resist is the max dmg you can have on someone after taking away their resists so going beyoing 200% cold pierce is useless unless they have tons and tons and tons of cold resist. No need for doom, fathom is much better

much better of with cold dmg% gear as this adds loads. why? griffons or light facets add little as they just go into light mastery but with cold its different.
30% means 30%. so u get a huge boost to your orb.

and dont be put off by orbs "low" dmg. rembeber each bolt does the dmg so if u get a direct hit its tons of dmg
 

fwing

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

Why the 125% fcr? Is that a breakpoint for orb like 117 is for CL?
whoops! i'm still in bone necro mode.. take off fcr ring and add an soj, and either use a maras or go for a 25 fcr spirit (cheaper).
man you've got this all wrong.

Heard of cold mastery? I think -100% resist is the max dmg you can have on someone after taking away their resists so going beyoing 200% cold pierce is useless unless they have tons and tons and tons of cold resist. No need for doom, fathom is much better

much better of with cold dmg% gear as this adds loads. why? griffons or light facets add little as they just go into light mastery but with cold its different.
30% means 30%. so u get a huge boost to your orb.

and dont be put off by orbs "low" dmg. rembeber each bolt does the dmg so if u get a direct hit its tons of dmg
i have heard of cold mastery, of course (this build MAXIMIZES cold mastery), but in my pvp experience good players will have stacked resistances. this build is made exactly to play stacked characters and sorbers. i've seen a few players stack/sorb and they can take several of my 14k blizzards with -220 cold mastery. plus i think that the holy freeze aura from doom will greatly help when you go to orb players. this char is basically a -cold res char. if i want to do high damage exclusively i can one hit 95% of players with my blizz sorc :)

HOWEVER.. ooo cool ideas. pfathom, take out the spirit, and replacing with a 20/20 cold monarch may be ever better (the damage would probably outweigh the negative resists). we're losing 55 fhr, resists, 1 skill (diff) -35 resists (difference), but we're GAINING 55% cold damage. that could be massive. if we add 5% fcr to the ammy we can swap a fcr ring for an soj and make up that skill. hmmmmmm.... so interesting. i'll do the math and post it. spirit monarchs are sooo sexy but the pros might outweigh the cons here.

aight the breakdown:
doom/spirit set up:
- 60 cold res
- 35 tri resists
- 55 fhr
- orb avg dmg overall at 1/6 pvp dmg and 0 res on opponent: 176 per shard x 3-4 shards (i'll multi by 3.5) = 616 dmg per orb with - 300 cold resist in total. i'll take a 4 k health pvper and it'll take an avg of 6.5 orbs to kill them.

fathom/20/20 monarch:
- whopping +55% cold
- -25 cold in total (35 difference)
- getting a 2/15 ammy allows soj switch, keeping same +24 skills
- orb avg dmg overall at 1/6 pvp dmg and 0 res on opponent: 257 per shard x 3-4 shards (i'll multi by 3.5) = 899 dmg per orb with -265 cold resist in total. i'll take a 4 k health pvper and it'll take an avg of 4.5 orbs to kill them.


tough call. we're looking at a 2 orb diff (which is pretty large, still) vs stackers with doom/spirit set up absolutely murdering resists and fathom/mon set up still handing out a massacre to most pvpers (that doom holy freeze is just so darn cool though!). effectively you will have a huge dmg boost from the fathom set up and enough -cold to take out some stack/sorbers after a few orbs. you will loose out on the fhr and resist though, making you vulnerable to pvpers such as trapsins, foh-ers and auradins. i'll give it more thought.


 
Last edited:

redground

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

The FCR BP you are looking for is 105, but that is just for teleport, orb is a timered spell.

As i´ve seem you have your offensive pretty much covered, but defensively, what do you want? Energy shield full energy sorc? And as it seems you will need some FHR charms to reach higher break points.
 

fwing

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

aight everything revised:

skills:
20 cold mast
20 orb
20 orb synergy
1 in cold armor of choice (maybe all 3 if you want situational)
10+ in E/S (w/e pts u have left)
20 Telek
1 tstorm (purely and only to stun)

I originally was brainstorming a tstorm/frozen orb sorc but with the realization that your skill gcs are EITHER lightning or cold, it would just make both not as good.

equip:
P Night Wings 5/5 faceted: +20% cold dmg, -5% cold, 2 skills
P Doom one handed wep: -60% cold, 2 skills, holy freeze
Pmaras: resists, +2 skills
Um'ed PVipermagi: +1skill, 30% fcr, resists
Arach: +1 skill, 20% fcr
35 spirit: +2 skill, 35% fcr, 55 fhr
x2 sojs: +2 skills, mana
trangs: 20% fcr, cold resist
treks: str, poison resist, 20 fhr
charms: x9 cold gcs (1 with fhr), w/e life/mana scs u can get, torch, anni (i will underestimate and say 15/15 on each)

Here are the end stats:
+ 25 all skills
+-100 (hell) + 30 anya + 30 torch/anni + 50 (viper) + 30 mara = 40 res all + 35 cold trang + 35 cold/light/psn spirit + say 60 psn treks = 110 cold, light resists, 170 psn, 40 fire
+ 30 fcr viper + 35 spirit + 20 trang + 20 arach = 105 fcr bp
+ 55fhr spirit + 20 treks + 12 1 cold gc = 87 fhr (86 bp met)
+ 20% cold dmg from nw
+ -60% cold doom + -5% nw = -65% total
+ ES taking 90% of dmg with -125% absorb multiplier from telek
+ sexy, sexy holy freeze


And your offense is looking like:
+ avg orb dmg = 903 + 20% nw = 1083 orb shard 1/6 pvp = 180 cold dmg per shard @ a 0 resist opponent x 3-4 shards = 540-720 cold dmg per decent orb, lots more with a well placed one
+ a whopping -305 enemy cold resistances to bring nearly every stacker/sorber down to 0 resists and 90% of your pvps down to -100 resists
---> so we're looking at 540-720 cold dmg against a person stacked with 405 cold resists and against most people we're doing 1080-1440 with a 3-4 shard orb. GODDAMN
+ did I mention holy freeze? this will make it wayy easier to place good orbs and maximize your dmg


eff, i'm sold on this. will created now! i'm excited!!
 

SepticFairTrader

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

interesting :)

update me on how it goes ;) im making a more standard pvp orber with ES and using Death Fathom + ormus + nightwings for high %cold dmg

if your setup works rly well i might consider doom

mhmhm

edit- i need a more detailed explanation / understanding of cold absorb!!! can it be negated by huge - cold resist ? or does that not affect it.
 

redground

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: PvP Orb Sorb build- please comment

If you are using a blue ball sorc why would you want resists? i thnk you just need maex poison resist (not sure, havnt play that many energy shields pvp builds)
 
Top