PvP maul werebear question

[Voice]

PvP maul werebear question

Now I know a lot of people dont have these since there isnt a lot of success with them but I am currently working on 3 different werebears and many many different setups. Actually just wrote a 3 page outline of about 9 different setups ranging from defensive/deadlystrike/pure max damage and all based on vitality vs. titan vs. mix stats.

Okay here is the question: What fhr is necessary in pvp melee combat. I know everyone says 86 fhr (6 frames). However when I have tested (on wolf mind you) I find out that after you hit 42 fhr(4 frames) hitting 86(3 frames) on wolf isnt essential. But i also found that zero on wolf (7 frames) you tend to see that fhr is essential.

I'm wondering is there kind of a breakpoint in which fhr isnt essential because of block rate and attack speed. If so what bp is that. A lot of my builds are based around 54 fhr and I would hate to invest only to find out that i need 86 fhr.

edit: I noticed my numbers were a bit off .... if with zero fhr my wolf has problems at 7 frames. And 7 frames is what a bear is at with 54 .. then maybe I need 86 fhr. Thanks for the help so far please keep the comments coming.

 

[dkay]

wolves probably dont need as much since
1. its natural to them
2. fury MAY be uninturrptable (not sure on this one)
either way fury is a "click and see 5 hits" where as a werebear has 4 frames of single attacks so id say 96 is a requirement... esp when dueling classes like barbs and other 5 time swingers (pallies and wolves and kickers)

 

[DeamonMonkey]

With my fire claw bear, I have problems dueling with less than 86 fhr. The problem is I lose. A Lot.

 

[Voice]

With my fire claw bear, I have problems dueling with less than 86 fhr. The problem is I lose. A Lot.

Thanks for this post ... I forgot I made a really good fc bear awhile ago and he only hit the 54 fhr bp. But since a lot of people in here seem unexperienced it seems that experments need to be done.

 

[DeamonMonkey]

I was dueling someone's fc bear (dully's?) a while ago and he had better stats in everything but fhr. I beat him 3 out of 3 times.

I think its really important.

 

[inkanddagger]

152 (5 frames) is the one to aim for.

Recommended setup for this:

shael jalals = 50
105 max, 31 fhr armor
bloodfists = 30
verdungos = 10
eth treks = 20
grand charm +1 skills = 12

grand total = 152

or you could go for the hybrid, which is probobly better all around and use stone which would be more like:

shael jalals = 50
stone = 60
fists = 30
dungos = 10
small charm = 5

grand total = 155, exceeding the breakpoint.

 

[dkay]

i doubt that everyon ecan get those sexy jewelies in the armor

also

ink how baout shadow dancers? very niceboots with high def/ 30% fhr/ 25 to dex. i think that would be a nice option as well.

 

[Sim.The.GoSu]

152 for 4 framers, but IF the bear is VERY offensive with lots of ar, you can go off with 86.

Zeal/Fury/Other are all x(5+)/4/4/4/4... hits, IF you get that first hit all the time, 86.

If not 152.

hope that helps

 

[inkanddagger]

actually shadow dancers may be better for a titan mauler. i didnt even think about em. thanks man!

31 armor, 30 dancers
30 fists, 10 belt,
50 helm

OMG misses by 1 fhr, but it allows you to ditch the 12 fhr charm in favor of a 5er.

 

[Weltkriegpally]

uh uh. 30 fhr makes them not bad, but deadly strike/cb/ow or straight plus damage from travs makes dancers a distant 3rd choice.

--welt

 

[Voice]

152 ouch ... Thats a whole lot of fhr .. I think it might actually be an overkill, I think I'll stick with 86 max.