PvP Fastcast WW/Kick/Stun Assassin Guide -- Final

[Speederländer]

Yep, I remember, and that sounds exactly like what I saw.

There was a really nice thread I started in which people discussed this in great technical detail. I wonder how far my history goes back...

I've heard level 90 repeated plenty of times too. The odd thing is that I've never heard it repeated by someone who code dives (RTB or otherwise). Either the news is so old that I never saw the thread, or it's just another wierd rumor.

Hmmm. I'm not sure what to do about that. I could mention both numbers. My lvl 90+ recommendation stands anyway for a variety of reasons well beyond the OW BP.

 

[Speederländer]

I should probably include a list of helpful links at the end of the guide. What would be good links? Ilkori, you have a general kicking guide, right? I'll include that if you give me the link. What other guides are out there? I have jrichard's site linked early in my guide but I'll link it again at the end.

 

[ilkori]

I'm almost embarrassed of that guide now... The PvP info is crap (really, it is), and the attack speeds are all wrong. Unfortunately, it still seems to be the best. Nothing like (nearly) single-handedly steering the fate of kickers by accident. :lol: Anyway, the compendium includes most of the good assassin guides out there.

Since 1.11 made almost no significant changes, I'll probably continue working on an update (which is in an older thread of mine). Um... yeah, I'll get back to you on that one.

The "guides sticky" on battle.net forums seems like a good candidate. I think MD is still updating all the links to current builds. There just needs to be a list somewhere of the "good" builds compared to "the rest."

 

[MauJ]

Great guide. One day you'll finish it

Oh man...shoutouts to Maxus make me think about how long I've been around and how many have come and gone.

-Mau

PS. You're retired right Speed?

 

[Speederländer]

Great guide. One day you'll finish it

Thanks! One day very very soon... I will only make the changes that come up here.

PS. You're retired right Speed?

Yup. Messing around with Guild Wars atm. I MIGHT play ladder reset just for the initial fun of it. But I'm currently uninstalled and without any characters.

 

[essojay]

Great guide! :thumbsup:

I play on SP and duel with fellow SP duelers in TCP/IP games. There aren't many duelers, but the ones we have are extremely dedicated and dueling is quite a different experience.

Since we SP PvPers know each other well, there are no "pubbies." Established rules are followed at all times. One of them bans the use of teleport (even on sorcs) and the OSkills on CTA. Also, it's SP so I don't have the wealth for a Chaos claw. Other than that, though my build is very similar to yours.

I maxed Venom and Mind Blast, and put some points in Shadow Master, Dragon Talon, Dragon Flight (the AR bonus is actually quite nice especially since I use this a lot), and Weapon Block. Since I Dragon Talon and Dragon Flight only in melee, only one point was placed in Claw Mastery for pre-requisite. I didn't bother with Blade Shield but I have a point each in Lightning Sentry and Wake of Fire to supplement my MB.

While I have no chance against melee barbs and pallies unless I go traps+MB mode (even then, their high resists and FHR make the match quite difficult), I'm effective against other characters. I can pull off a stalemate by simply keeping away from the enemy, but what fun is that? Eventually I go up close to them in hopes of actually damaging them and then die. :lol:

Since teleport is banned, Dragon Flight is the only means of minion stacking so I use it liberally. It's quite ironic that I'm safer right up and close to an enemy than a screen away deluged with enemy missiles.

 

[Naliworld]

Speed: One word: awesome...if there's one thing I would suggest, it would be for a bit more uniformity in the class-by-class strategy section(some class strats are numbered, others not, etc.), but that's minor given certain classes probably deserve more attention than others.

/me stickies guide

PS. Sorry about the delay, my internet connection was giving me hell these past few days. When you feel the final update is ready, PM me or make a repost(or if you want to send it via MS Word, use the email in my profile).

 

[Speederländer]

Speed: One word: awesome...if there's one thing I would suggest, it would be for a bit more uniformity in the class-by-class strategy section(some class strats are numbered, others not, etc.), but that's minor given certain classes probably deserve more attention than others.

/me stickies guide

PS. Sorry about the delay, my internet connection was giving me hell these past few days. When you feel the final update is ready, PM me or make a repost(or if you want to send it via MS Word, use the email in my profile).

Thanks Nali. I'll be putting in a few changes based on the comments here. I will tidy up the class-by-class, include hellfire, and correct several points that ilkori brought to my attention. I'll just repost the thing. I think that would be easier for you. Then you can just kill this thread or unsticky it and sticky the other without having to post the guide section by section.

It looks like I'm going to be very WEAK and play this new ladder. So, I will hopefully have these changes made this week and reposted very soon. I have to be the first sin to lvl 90 on USWest first though.

 

['22'Souljah]

hm speed you mind adding this some time later?

It's possible to wear both armors now w/o putting anything into str thanks to hellfire.

20str(base sin str) + 20str(anni) + 20str(hellfire) + 19(duped resist boot's str sux for you if your realm doesn't have) = 79 which is enough for a dusk shroud bramble and greater talons (yes you HAVE to make it in this if you still want base str and decent trap speed while using bramble)

 

[Speederländer]

[QUOTE='22'Souljah]hm speed you mind adding this some time later?

It's possible to wear both armors now w/o putting anything into str thanks to hellfire.

20str(base sin str) + 20str(anni) + 20str(hellfire) + 19(duped resist boot's str sux for you if your realm doesn't have) = 79 which is enough for a dusk shroud bramble and greater talons (yes you HAVE to make it in this if you still want base str and decent trap speed while using bramble)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'll be altering the armor section with the addition of hellfire.

 

[-Ferro-]

Amazing guide

The best guide I ever read, and I´ve read quite a lot. At least IMO. It covers with details all the issues to care about and explains very well all situations from a reallistic point of view (most of the pvp guides, even the best ones, tend to show the char as the best in some way, underating opponents/situations if you know what I mean).

You made a great job, what else I can say...

Also, for the credits part, a big thanks to the guys, we all know who they are, who have work a lot and spent so many time providing all the info concerning kicks.

Ferro

 

[GkT]

That was an awesome guide! It took me over half an hour to read it and I skimmed a big part of the Strategies Section.

I think you should include a section for Mages. If played properly, they're possibly one of the best 1 vs. 1 Duelers.

 

[Speederländer]

Ferro and GkT, thanks for the feedback. Good reviews are always appreciated!

GkT, what do YOU mean by mages? Different people sometimes use different terms for the same thing.

Also general comment: I'm taking a printout of the guide, which I have already made several changes to, as well as the suggestions here, to the corner taco place where I will put together the final deal. Should be posting it very soon.

No more changes after that!!!

Nali, I'll just repost it. That's easier than you having to mess with my Word copy. Besides, I'll want to review formatting one last time anyway.