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PvP BearSin?

Discussion in 'PvP' started by commandercool, Jun 17, 2005.

  1. commandercool

    commandercool IncGamers Member

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    PvP BearSin?

    well im getting kinda bored building regular pvp chars and i have some gear i thought i could make a pvp char with:

    beast
    duress
    ss
    gores
    dracs
    angelics
    raven

    i was wondering if anyone has ever made a viable pvp bearsin and can i do so with this gear or do i need new gear? or maybe bearsorc?

    thanks in advance for any help
     
  2. returnoftheclaniraq

    returnoftheclaniraq Banned

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    I actually have a very effective pvp weresin

    first look here:
    http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=356664


    The main point of it is that you can hit 3 or even 2 frame attacks. Thats twice as fast as zeal.

    The problem is that only 1 claw can hit 2 frame attacks:
    Artisan's Greater Talons of Quickness, with 3x shael runes

    You need 100% ias on your weapon, and it must be base speed -30




    So once you do get those (im stuck with fools of quickness), I recommend focusing on poison damage.
    Use the speedclaws + venom. Use bramble and trangs gloves, and shadow gcs.

    Think about it: 2 frame attack with 4k poison damage. Thats hitting 12.5 times per second.

    Just keep in mind: bos or non-weapon ias dont help at all, so use fade.
    weapon block doesnt work in bear form, so yah use a shield.

    I have this char on useast ladder if you ever want to see
     
  3. Weltkriegpally

    Weltkriegpally IncGamers Member

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    bos does help werebear attack speeds, and sometimes off weapon ias can be used to help reach a breakpoint. I suggest looking at thedragoons charts rather than his bp table. while the table is accurate, the charts are more so.

    --welt
     
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    pAnda_fury IncGamers Member

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    recently i've done some experimenting with bearsins and on single player i've made a bearsin focusing on poison damage, and a bearsin focusing on physical damage. These are the two setups i came up with:

    weresin(physical)

    coa - cham/30max
    fort
    pheonix
    rare runic talon with 400+ed, fools mod, 40ias, socketed with 2 shaels or 2ed/ias - im not sure whats better
    dracs
    verdungo
    gores
    angelic combo

    weresin(poison)

    guillames w/ ber
    bramble
    100ias g-talon
    trangs glove/belt
    ss w/ ber
    gores
    angelic combo

    I havent dueled anyone yet, but i took them both through the frigid highlands and they slaughtered well.

    The coolest thing is the ethereal look of the bear (from fade) and the blue outline which occurs when hit while the shiver armor from fort is active. Looks way cool! :lol:

    The attack speed was very fast, under 4 fpa im sure. However, it was a bit dodgy with some hits missing - or so it seemed. However, I will look more into this, because it could have been the bearsin's slow hit recovery or block rate that was the problem...

    )pAnda(
     
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    Oh man, sounds really exciting, can u really reach 2 fpa with this o_O, step over any melee zealots, werewolves and the like :clap: .
     
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    Arbedark IncGamers Member

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    1 Serious question.

    What good is 2 Frame attack going to be for venom when it takes .4 of a second to apply? Reapplying venom any quicker than this is pointess really.







    Arb
     
  7. commandercool

    commandercool IncGamers Member

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    this sounds like a very intresting build, im guessing its only good vs melee?

    what skills should i max? (since you cant use to much in bear form)
    Venom
    Fade
    SM
    CM
    ??

    max block or no?
     
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    Venom - no, but physical dmg and CB would be very nice.
     
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    Arbedark IncGamers Member

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    The physical damage would be negliable. And CB in pvp is useless isnt it?

    I'd rather do 2 x the physical damage at 4 frames.

    Would be easier to get, and would have exact same damage output over time.






    Arb
     
  10. lCE

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    Not really, u could use the same trick that werebears use with low dmg weapons. That means - 120 max armor, 30 max jewel in helm + phoenix shield, 3/20/20 or similar in inventory should give u at least 4k dmg. That at 2 frames is a killer my friend. I mentioned CB for pvm mainly.
     
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    sheepe2004 IncGamers Member

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    not really, 3/4 attacks get blocked and quite a few will miss
     
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    I tried this before and my main problem was AR. How are you guys getting a high AR to get hits in? Most Pallys and Barbs will have over5k life and 39k def.
     
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    angelics should get you to atleast 18k AR i think. and thats not too shabby.

    if even that isnt good enough, maybe hsarus belt/boots is an option?

    )pAnda(
     
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    Except Venom poison lasts 10 frames, so at 4k poison damage you can't hit above 10k a second, regardless of how many times you hit.
     
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    Claw mastery + angelics + demon limb enchant. 10 max/7x AR/lifes in inventory. I doubt hsarus would be needed with that setup, but if u like u may use it of course, just lose 15% dr from dungos.
     
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    Even with 2 frame attack, 75% of your hits are blocked, and maybe 1/2 miss depending on who you duel.

    So 10 frames between each hit isn't a real nerf. If you are constantly being drained by venom, it HURTS. 4k over 10 frames = 10k per second. Ouchies.

    And yarr I get my AR from fools claw + angelics + claw mastery. Plenty of AR (I hit at 20k w/o enchant, 30k with)
     
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    I would try this, if only i wouldnt have to go through the trouble of trading stuff, ****ing hate it, its impossible to trade anything those days.
    U have fools greater talon of quickness? Lucky u :)

    Checked the calc, seems like 2 frames is impossible to obtain, it would require 91% ias on a claw, and no amount of SkillIAS (read: BOS) will take u from 3 frames to 2. So we r stuck at 3 frames really. (meh). Id rather make a kicksin tbh, 2 frames and much higher dmg output.
     
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    No, there is *one* claw that reaches the 2 frame bp. You need artisan's greater talons of quickness- 40% ias + 3x shael = 100% ias.


    But as far as kickers, 2 frames is a lost wish.
    For werebear, it goes:
    2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ect

    For kicker, it goes:
    ~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ~5 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 ect


    So not quite the damage output ;)
     
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    Heh, me = owned :). Gonna search for that claw from now on.
     
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    Well I've run in-n-out of that red portal all day( got a 3traps 2LS claw :thumbsup: )!! Blizzard is ****ing w/ me too!! I found jeweler's and artisan's many times, but w/ garbage. Then I thought it was all over....saw fool's mod, 3 socs, 30ias, BUT!! it was blade talons!!!! I wanted to cry...darn :( .
     

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