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PvM Phoenix or SS?

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by smeer, Sep 20, 2006.

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  1. smeer

    smeer IncGamers Member

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    PvM Phoenix or SS?

    Now I hear lots of people talk about phoenix vs ss.
    Some argue phoenix is the better shield in PvM some argue SS is better. I've got the feeling more people like phoenix in PvM. Main reason is redemption which solves all mana (and health problems) since block/DR is less important in PvM.
    (In PvP SS is the winner).
    It's a feeling though. By creating this poll I hope we can get a better picture about the question if people prefer phoenix over SS in PvM
     
  2. KremBanan

    KremBanan IncGamers Member

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    I voted for Pheonix. As you said yourself, it solves all your mana problems. No need for leech whatsoever. This will do that you free up a leech source. Instead of a ml, you now can have either more mf or more skill-items.
     
  3. crawlingdeadman

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    i'd say make it more realistic and put spirit in there as an option. phoenix doesnt really add much imo to a javazon there's too many wasted mods.

    Shields
    100% Chance To Cast level 40 Blaze When You Level-up dont need
    40% Chance To Cast Level 22 Firestorm On Striking dont need
    Level 10-15 Redemption Aura When Equipped (varies) outfreakingstanding
    +350-400 Defense Vs. Missile (varies) you wont be blocking much so it's decent depending on where you pvm
    +350-400% Enhanced Damage (varies) helps leeching and killing LI's but not necessary
    -28% To Enemy Fire Resistance dont need. uh, lighting?
    +50 To Life wahoo 50 life it is affected by bo, however
    +5% To Maximum Lightning Resist depending on where you pvm is nice as long as you have res b/c this shield has zilch
    +10% To Maximum Fire Resist same as above
    +15-21 Fire Absorb (varies) max res is better but again depends on where you pvm

    Shields
    +2 To All Skills always good
    +25-35% Faster Cast Rate (varies) a little goes a long way
    +55% Faster Hit Recovery not necessary but same as fcr little goes a long way
    +250 Defense Vs. Missile read same mod on phoenix
    +22 To Vitality =66 life on a zon. after bo =66 life
    +89-112 To Mana (varies) more mana regenerates faster than less so more you have less leech you need
    Cold Resist +35% it has res! if you need it
    Lightning Resist +35% it has res! if you need it
    Poison Resist +35% it has res! if you need it
    +3-8 Magic Absorb (varies) not necessary
    Attacker Takes Damage of 14 not necessary

    how much does phoenix cost? the ONLY reason to use phoenix is redemption, imo. a little leech takes care of this.

    for pvp ss all the way. another option you should mention that is "good" is the -20/20% (or -15/15%) shield wich i have no experience with but far outdoes everything else for generating raw damage.

    also monarchs are heavy so a light weight shield can be better depending on your needs.
     
  4. Xenon[XoA]

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    Phoenix for pvm for the redemption aura perhaps, although I'd use a SS for both PvM + Pvp, since I see no point in putting so many runes into a pvm character.
     
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    i prefer phoenix

    redemption (godleh!)
    and it looks seksi on a full str glitched char

    and the -28% fire helps the lvl 22 firestorm
    which actually does damage lol
     
  6. Dacar92

    Dacar92 Community, Amazon, DH Moderator & Inc Clan Officer

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    The - 28% fire resistance would be nice for some zons. The firestorm is nice but a LF zon deals a lot of damage anyway. The enhanced damage is nice, the aura is sweet but it is an expensive runeword, imo.

    The SS drawback is the high strength req. The high block and decent resist is nice. I think Phoenix would be more fun, but expensive. I still haven't voted. I have to think about it. :laugh: I think I am leaning towards the Phoenix for the fun factor.
     
  7. Xenon[XoA]

    Xenon[XoA] Banned

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    but SS + spirit + phoenix all have the same str req, since all req' monarch or 4os shields. SS'd have the lowest potential req, if hel'd or 15/-15'd.
     
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    OK, you got me. But I guess I am voting for Phoenix for the fun factor. While SS has great blocking I think Phoenix wins the day for me. Although I still think it is an expensive runeword. Who's got two vex's lying around? I am lucky to have one on SP, where I spent most of the last 4 years playing. Phoenix doesn't work on SP unless I use the RW mod for SP. :sad2:
     
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    so if phoenix looked like this, would you still use it?
     
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    I have no problem leeching with my furyzon. If you're willing to spend runes on a phoenix shield, then surely you can afford a -20/+20 monarch.
     
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    i'm with you... the major draw for phoenix is redemption is it not? easily solved with leech. only time it wouldnt be solved by leech is vs phys immue or unleechables and my friends that's what pots are for. i originally thought phoenix on a java was "cute" after thinking about it some and seeing the posts here i'm going to put it with the 6 zod phase blade and the 2zod magic crown of the ages as something dumb rich people do (yes arutha i'm talking to you. you were the first person i saw with a phoenix monarch on a javazon so i blame you for this).
     
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    what's wrong with zodded Ages gear -.-?
     
  13. crawlingdeadman

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    give the runes to me instead :rolleyes:
     
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    lol what would be the point of a double zod'd coa? that doesn't make one bit of sense
     
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    Exactly! :laugh:
     
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    Meh. Some people have runes flowing out of their bums and really don't care if they waste a "few measly Zods".
     
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    pvm enigmazon will make a really good use of spirit

    except blocking (zon already has passive skills so this should not be of major concern), all stats are really useful for a char like this, and lets you reach the 68fcr breakpoint (13frame,also assuming arach+griffon's are used)

    also the +2 skills on spirit are a big deal, that's a lot of extra light dmg

    haven't really voted here :shrug:
     
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    I like to make the point that if you decide against using Enigma than you have no use for Fcr meaning that theres no reason to use spirit. Even though the sklills may help. And i want to also point out the odd choice of even suggesting spider. Why would you waste your time with spider and then complain about lack of light damage when all you had to do is choose tgods over spider and there goes your damage problem.
     
  19. Leohappy

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    well i use enigma on javzon so spirit is the only sensible choice

    and arach i just posted as example of reaching fcr speed but generally evryone will combine equipment in other ways or even drop to a lower fcr bp

    another possibility would prolly be to use phoenix + titans as primary combo & wizzy+spirit shield a secondary combo for teleing (but then you lose cta)
     
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    Re: PvM Phoenix or SS?

    i can see his thoughts turned to d3 when he drew tthe spectacular rainbow
     

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