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PVM Bowazon

Discussion in 'Amazon' started by Etna, May 19, 2008.

  1. Etna

    Etna IncGamers Member

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    PVM Bowazon

    Hello, Im really wanting to make a good pvm bowazon but not sure which type is best, this chr is for b.net, solo, and have access to most items. I had tried almost a year ago a faith multi/strafer but she seemd' somewhat weak and im wondering if there is just no chance to make a good pvm bowa? I know they've been slightly nerf'd in previous patchs correct? Please give any advice you might have in making a good soloing bowazon, icezon, faithzon, frostzon, w/e you think is best. If there is a build I should look at etc etc. Thank you so much for reading and giving me some hints.

    ps: purely for killing power no mf wanted.
     
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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    Search in google for "diablo 2 attack speed calculator", and make sure you have enough IAS to reach good attack speed. If you have access to good gear get a good bow like faith with might merc or windforce with a faith merc. For small groups both strafe and freezing arrow are good options. I tend to prefer freezing arrow.

    Use razortail and 1 point in pierce to get a very good chance to pierce and max penetrate for attack rating to minimize the amount of AR gear that you need to use. If faith is your bow though it has ITD so you could just use guided/freezing on bosses and champions instead of strafe/multi.

    In case you don't go the ITD route, you should have more than enough points to max penetrate anyway, if you use razortail in order to keep pierce at 1, put only 1 in valk and prereqs (you can recast and won't need her much anyway) and max FA/CA with rest (which will be a lot) in multi with a single point in guided arrow.

    Get high level critical strike, even a few %s are nice. Maxing it is a waste though.

    If you want even more killing speed instead of maxing your resists get gear with ED/max jewels and one of the duped runewords that add damage if you're already going in the way of duped gear (just about any item you're going to want to use falls into this category) - once you have the desired attack speed of course (~95-100 IAS on gear (not counting fanaticism) depending on the aura level).

    Even higher killing speed would be achieved by neglecting more vit in favor of dex - both more AR and mostly more enhanced damage (1 dex = 1% ED).

    Note that ED on gear doesn't work like it does on weapons, ED on weapons generally works better. If you go with windforce and can get the right amount of IAS without a shael in the weapon, socket ED/max in it. If you need only 15% from the weapon, 40/15 IAS. Shael is more for either MFers or for allowing to take more survivability gear rather than IAS gear (since IAS gear + ED in weapon is better than IAS in weapon and ED in gear).
     
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    sangfagel IncGamers Member

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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    OMG - what are You talking about?!!!

    On this ladder I have a really godly clvl 94 sorc, an almost perfectly equiped poison necro and ... a poor boazon with worst Faith EVER. Ama rules :thumbsup:

    Amazon have never been nerfed. They repaired an old bug causing GA hit a target multiple times. Thats it. At the same time we got just ridiculously powerfull runewords as Faith and improved Valky - the best tank in the game.

    Some simple advices to make a cookie-cutter:

    1. If you gona run Hell Baal in 4-8 players games go for Faith merc / WF main char combo. This combo works with Fortitude armor ONLY. Other:
    Go for Faith GMB / Might merc.

    2. Max strafe, Valky, FA.

    3. get 89 0r 120 IAS, 400 + dex, 800+ hp and 50%+ res all (75% res light is good)

    4. Have a fun :grin:



     
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    galzohar IncGamers Member

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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    Amazons got their nerf (aside from the bug fix that wasn't even supposed to happen) when they didn't give multi/guided/strafe synergies. With good enough gear though they still kill well, showing how overpowered they were beforehand. But now unless you really use the AOE of multi to its fullest you're not going to kill as fast as the other few overpowered classes, at least not without rediculess gear (which those other classes don't need, aka hammerdin, sorc).
     
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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    Uh, well... "not GIVING synergies" is not equal with "taking away synergies" :azn: AnywayI agree that v. .10 made amazons "less overpowered".

    Nevertheless the comparition to another classes with equal gear is still favorable for amazons. I am not going to discuss hammardins since for me personally fun factor of this build is exactly ZERO.

    Lets take a sorc.

    1. Budget class
    To get firepower higher than a burizon or a lightzon with very basic gear a sorc must be one-elementalist. In this case her versatality is very low in comparition to an ama. I would rather play a cheap amazon than a cheap sorc.

    1. Middle class:
    exempel - I compare my own toons:

    - sorc: 2 elements. Gear: Eni + perfect Spirit + 2 SoJs + Arach. 3 skillers with life, a good crafted amu. Effect: Perfect defense (full block, full resists, good fhr, 1k+ hp), Damage output: average 12k+ FB dmg, 600+ FO dmg. 105 fcr.

    - ama: Faith GMB + cheap but good rest of gear. 60% average resist, ca 50% avoid skills, 800 hp. Damage output: ca 2k average Strafe damage.

    These These 2 builds are preatty equal in their killing speed, versatality and safety. The sorc is WAY more expensive - as you can see.

    3. Luxory class

    - Light sorc with perfect gear + Infinity merc. Effect: TOTAL OVERKILL :grin:

    - LF ama, Eni + Infinity merc or WF/Forti bowazon + Faith merc: lesser overkill, still higher versatality, equal as surviver.

    So... what are we talking about? If we skip LCS and just compair game experience, amazons are very powerfull and njoyable characters imho - I can´t see any nerfing att all.



     
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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    You are forgetting that sorc can teleport, while amazon can't - atleast not fast enough to be as important as it for a sorc or any enigma character that wants to use high fcr items. Therefore, amazons won't be as good as sorc when it comes down to many aspects of the game. They will be slower at getting to the throne, slower at key running, slower at diablo running
    So you see, amazons aren't overpowered, heck they are the weakest character out there.

    Lucky for us, you can do more then boss runs and key runs. Running pits or alvl 85 in general is very beneficial aswell and there amazon aren't less powerful then other builds certainly when budget is a factor.
    Not to mention that they are indeed very fun.

    P.S. @ Etna: have you read the guides in the sticky. Not only will they tell you how to build good amazons, though they will tell you what to expect. That way you can find out what amazon is best for you.



     
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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    That´s why I have a good sorc by side of a good zon :wink3: They have different specialisations. Fast and safe teleporting is of course sorcs´trumps along with fast boss killing and easy xx% mf. Still - my ama cleans 85 areas as Pit or River of flames faster than sorc end even poison necro with 8k PN and -80% to enemy pr just in gear. Its just most killing power per Hr imo.
     
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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    Thank you guys for your thoughts on the subject. Yes I have read the guides with in the stickies which have been helpful. I have a clvl 90 java which is very successful, but ive always liked bow's hence the topic creation.

    My past bowa was a gmb faith weilding zon and she could kill but I guess ive just gotten to used to the speed of a light sorc/hammer/java and the like builds for she wasnt quite as fast of a killer. Ive been reading on the Windforce/faith and WindTitan builds and perhaps they will work out a tad better than my past build.

    I also was contemplating a max FA/Ca- CS/LF build is this possible? I really dont know how well Fa/Ca + mat ice bow does in hell vs non cold immunes. I had read the ice guide by blush but I'm unsure of how well it killls and I keep running into how bad the mana drain is but nothing on how well it can kill. Fa for mobs not CI, CS for boss's and LF for CI's can this build work or would it just be best to stick to the Gunslinger or Windtitan when it comes to a hybrid?

    Again thank you very much for taking the time to read and posting your thoughts and experiences.
     
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    Re: PVM Bowazon

    If you don't use a high physical damage bow with your FA you will be drinking a very large amount of mana potions. Ice's damage isn't so bad though so your leech could be fine. There's nothing wrong with using some mana pots anyway. If you can use Ice, no reason to use any other weapon really - it's just too much FA damage.

    A few cold damage SCs in inventory greatly help with FA - each will increase freeze duration by 1 second (reduced by difficulty, but still it adds up and helps a lot as 2s duration is just too short with hell penalties). Don't max ice arrow for extra freeze, though, as 20 skill points aren't worth it for something you can get with 2 SCs. Cold damage on the charm doesn't matter, they all have 1s duration that adds to the entire AOE of your FA.

    Just like LF, you want near-100% pierce chance, preferably via razortail and +skills with just ~1 point in pierce.

    The only "problem" with this build is that you don't have the option to really take advantage of the huge range of multishot, as you don't have a high physical damage bow. Especially if you also want points in more than just LF in the javelin tree. But it should really be a great build for killing stuff.
     

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