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Pure PvP tele/WW barb

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by F1R3STR1D3R, Feb 17, 2004.

  1. F1R3STR1D3R

    F1R3STR1D3R IncGamers Member

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    Pure PvP tele/WW barb

    I want a main PvP barb who can kill casters (hammerdins, light zon, sorcs, trapsins, wind druids, FoH, etc) and melee (smiters, zealots, shockbears, conc barbs, kickers, etc) and be able to kill in PvM (OK's, baal minions, souls, etc).

    These are the 4 builds I was thinking:

    20 Mastery
    20 Battle Orders
    20 Shout
    20 Whirlwind
    20 Concentrate
    1 Natural Resists
    1 Berserk
    1 Iron Skin
    1 Prereqs

    20 Mastery
    20 Battle Orders
    20 Shout
    20 Whirlwind
    10 Berserk
    10 Concentrate
    1 Iron Skin
    1 Natural Resists
    1 Prereqs

    20 Mastery
    20 Battle Orders
    20 Shout
    20 Whirlwind
    20 Berserk
    1 Concentrate
    1 Iron Skin
    1 Natural Resists
    1 Prereqs

    20 Mastery
    20 Battle Orders
    20 Shout
    20 Whirlwind
    20 Iron Skin
    1 Concentrate
    1 Berserk
    1 Natural Resists
    1 Prereqs

    For Gear:

    Casters-

    Botd Zerker
    Wizspike
    Shako
    Enigma Sacred/Bskin
    Maras/Metalgrid
    2X Raven, Stat/life/ar/min-max
    Steelrends
    Gores
    Anachrids Mesh


    Melee-

    Botd Zerker
    Stormshield
    Ethereal Valor
    Arreats Face
    Verdungos
    2X Raven, Stat/life/ar/min-max
    Highlords
    Gores
    Steelrends

    Switch-
    2X Hoto
    Demon Limb

    Charms-
    10/75/40
    3/20/20
    3/20/5
    Annihilus

    Which build is going to work?
     
  2. LorD4rk

    LorD4rk IncGamers Member

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    option D. try some points in increasy speed too, like 5-12.

    cya.
     
  3. graycloud

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    i agree. the harder you are to hit, the better. casters will hit you 100% i believe, so its just the melee you have to worry about. my zealdin had a hard time against a botd warpike tele barb. could only get him down to about 1/10 life before his repeated wws hit me enough times to kill me. a smiter would have an easy time killing you though since you're so close.
     
  4. l2aider1

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    option d looks pretty familiar ^ ^
     
  5. F1R3STR1D3R

    F1R3STR1D3R IncGamers Member

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    Why do I need 5-12 points in increased speed, won't 45 from enigma and 30 from gores be enough if I can teleport as it is?
     
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    esruk IncGamers Member

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    Btw, where are you getting fhr on your caster setup? 0% fhr vs a necro (or any other hard hitting caster) = your doom. If you're gonna use shako and all that other stuff, you might consider shaeling the shako and wearing a couple of charms to get you to that magical 27% breakpoint. It won't be pretty when a necro unleashes a train of bone spirits on you or you get caught up in some nice 10k+ blizzard :(
     
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    Heya Jay, thats why I recommend he ditch the shako for arreats. It has 30% fhr already.
     
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    esruk IncGamers Member

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    Yea, that's always my first choice as well. The extra life/mana is nice, but so is the extra dmg and not having to jack around with fhr.
     
  9. F1R3STR1D3R

    F1R3STR1D3R IncGamers Member

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    Im getting FHR from charms already stated in first post - (3/20/5).

    I thought Shako would be better for mana - teleporting and WW'in

    Which amulet would be better vs casters 35resists Metalgrid or 30resists Maras?

    Will the defense on Metalgrid be boosted by Iron skin?
     
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    I'd vote Mara's. You don't really need the extra AR/Def that Metalgrid offers.
     
  11. F1R3STR1D3R

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    What about stats: 192str/177dex/211vit/10ene base sound good?

    232 Str needed to wear sacred armor; 192 str base with +30 str botd, +20 str ring, +20 str anny would give
    me enough to wear sacred enigma with caster gear on even if I didn't have perfect items.

    222 Dex needed to max block with SS at 99; 177 dex base with +20 dex raven, +20 dex arreats, +20 dex anny
    would give me enough to max block with SS at 99 even if I didn't have perfect items.

    211 Vit; all rest of the points go here
     
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    I have no idea how you got those stats as base, but here are my base stats @95. It appears your wasting ALOT of stat points, or shall I say using them innefectively. With this current setup I am wearing a sacred armor enigma just fine, and that is the max possible str requirement any ww barb should need. In fact I could even recommend going as low as 112 str, however I find 135 to be a little more versatile. However 192 is WAY out of proportion and is 57 less points in vitality. In addition 142 base dex is fine even with dual angelics for max block @99 so plz clue me in how you got 177 base dex? Thats another 35 wasted stat points.

    135str
    122dex (Will pump to 142 base by 99)
    303vit
     
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    I was assuming using the worst possible items of my equipment ... 15dex raven, 10stat anny, no str ring at all, etc.

    232-10anny-30botd = 192
    222-10anny-15raven-20arreats = 177

    I don't think its using them ineffectively because damage, attack rating, and defense as well as life are all important when up against melee/casters
     
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    First of all, barb is one of the most expensive chars to equip effectively. If you wish to have a good pvp barb you better have the funds to do it right. If not your just wasting your time making a half assed barb. Second even if your going to make him half assed there is no reason you should be wearing a sacred armor enigma. Defense vs casters is irrelevent, and the difference between a dusk shroud enigma and sacred armor enigma is really negligable maybe as little as 100 defense. Don't make a sacred armor enigma for defense.........thats waht eth valor/eth steel carapace/ eth templars might are for. So even with the shittiest possible gear. 185 is the max str you will need after + items. So lets see

    185 -30 (botd) - 10 (anny) - 5 (Maras) - 20 Arreats = 120 Str. ( There is no supplement for arreats PERIOD. Your helm should never change. I went the shako route vs casters its no good. Not only does it decrease your dmg but you lose valuable stats, res, and fhr.)

    For the last time there is no reason you should be wearing sacred armor enigma vs casters. And if you choose to do so (I do it purely for looks) you better have the funds to get ahold of the perfect stat gear required to balance it out.
     
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    wow...massive defense vs casters is stupid. if anything you should use a low str req armor like mage plate. vs casters you need massive vit. maxing vit is better and much more effective than goin str.
     
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    The strength requirement on upgraded arreats is 196, and I don't feel like switching it between un-upgraded arreats everytime I have to duel casters.
    Rethinking the armor for enigma, I'd rather use Balrog Skin for looks which needs 165 strength and adds 67 strength at level 90. That would be 232 strength... enough to wear both upgraded arreats and steelrends. The minimum strength needed here is 165-30botd-20ring = 115 (I didn't include annihilus because it doesn't show equipment that need the strength from it). For melee, 196 strength is needed for the highest item - arreats. eth Botd zerk's requirements are 110 strength, 47 dex and adds 30 strength, Stormshield adds 30 strength. Steelrends at 185 strength required would add enough strength to reach arreats at worst possible. So 185-30botd-30stormshield-20ring = 105 strength required. So I'll put my strength at base 115. 222 Dexterity is needed for max block at 99. I'll be able to wear arreats which adds 20 dex, annihilus adds 20 dex, raven adds 20 dex, and a rare/crafted ring adds 15 dex (I don't think I'll be able to find a good 20str/15dex ring so I wont include it). 222-20arreats-20raven-20anny = 162or147 base by level 99. All rest into vitality.
     
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    145 strength base (115 with botd)
    162 dexterity base (117 with botd, and 15dex ring)
    273 vitality base (348 with botd, and 15dex ring)

    115 points into strength (85 with botd)
    142 points into dexterity (97 with botd, and 15dex ring)
    248 points into vitality (323 with botd, and 15dex ring)
     

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