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ScionOfStorm

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Krischan, to me it's not a point of racism to say that one nation/ethnicity has its genes. It's a biological postulate.

I won't count you as racist if you said that some bulgarians have a slightly darker tan. Or that armenians have usually bigger noses - same as jews. He's not discussing that the jews are a 'lesser' race (e.g. untermenschen) - he's just pointing out obvious characteristics, appropriate for different nations, based on biology, geography etc etc.

That anti-semitism statement is fully wrong. Besides, he himself is of jewish descent, won't it be a little contradictive?

I have not read what he has to say, but from personal experiences (because we have some problems here too, even though we are far, far away from the western niveau of economics and socialisation) it IS true that some ethnic elements do not perform an integration the way integration was meant to be. It's not about racism or something else - social parasites can be both germans and immigrants (in terms of viewing Germany's society). In Bulgaria there are both bulgarians, which are lazy you-know-what and don't help the society to prosper and gypsies, which are a major problem here.

It is true though, that the integration process between e.g. dutch/american/chinese/japanese and people of arabic descent is in MOST cases (not all, but based on personal experience of me and some people I know) pretty different.
 

KremBanan

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

What? Serious talk here? Where did all the football-, booze- and women-talk go??

:D :D
 

Hyarmenion

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Krischan, to me it's not a point of racism to say that one nation/ethnicity has its genes. It's a biological postulate.

That anti-semitism statement is fully wrong. Besides, he himself is of jewish descent, won't it be a little contradictive?
Yes certain population groups may have different genes than others. Yes it may give them a higher probability to have bigger noses. NO it does not make them worse/lazy person who don't want to work and only cost the government money. That has nothing to do with your genes but with your background. Looks and personality are two complete different things.

And on the antisemitism thing. It's not even proven that Hitler didn't have jews in his ancestry. Also I said renewed. You can call it antiturkism or antimuslimism or whatever if you want. In the end his book and theories of his may and probably will be used by right extremist groups for propaganda against these groups.

Oh and since you're from Bulgaria he probably wouldn't like you if you ever were to move to Germany. Maybe think about that before defending his postulates.



 

ScionOfStorm

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Nah, I'm not saying that the genes define what will be your behaviour - nor did he say this I think. I can't really talk with a hard statement on that, but I don't think that's the case.

So when we talk about that, it won't matter where a person is from if that person works and ain't a social parasite - the same thing I was saying. He didn't said that jews/muslims/whatever have a gene that makes them an untermenschen and social parasites - he said that statistically there are more people unwilling to integrate and dive in the market economy with full force within these ethnic groups.

If a bulgarian acts as a social parasite, I won't defend him if Sarrazin/whoever there is claims he is one, because he'd be one straightforward. That matters for all nationalities.

I may have understood him wrong, but judging from what understood - he wants the minorities and immigrants to be treated like the average german citizen and not to have any superiority due to their minority and possible anti-democracy blame if there is a certain german government attitude towards them.

And I fully agree if the case is such, because a little part of that whole puzzle is playing its role in my country. I do not think that it's right for me to pay taxes like a normal citizen, but when it comes to the roma (gypsies) the case to be different. Democracy's definition is that all of us are equal and have equal rights before the law and the government. When I pay my taxes and take part in the active economic/social aspect of the society, I expect everyone to do so too.

That's what I understand from his point of view, putting the media storm aside. I have to read the book to see what he talks about though :)

On football topic: weee, it's Bulgaria vs England time after 40ish minutes. I don't think we have any chance though. My national team's attitude towards football isn't as serious as I would like to. With Berbatov's resignment it just got worse. I think we will lose at least with 0:3. It's all okay till the first goal. Then the psyche just breaks -_-
 

KremBanan

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

On football topic: weee, it's Bulgaria vs England time after 40ish minutes. I don't think we have any chance though. My national team's attitude towards football isn't as serious as I would like to. With Berbatov's resignment it just got worse. I think we will lose at least with 0:3. It's all okay till the first goal. Then the psyche just breaks -_-
Hristo Stoichkov FTW! :)



 

ScionOfStorm

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Yes, he was a very good football player, but as a person and a coach he is just awwwwwwwwwwful :p
 

Hyarmenion

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

This was in our newspaper today:

Intelligenz sei zu 50 bis 80 Prozent erblich, viele Ausländer in Deutschland aber kämen aus bildungsfernen Schichten, und weil die Geburtenraten von Ausländern so hoch seien, verdumme Deutschland – so Sarrazins Aussagen in verkürzter Form.

Part of Sarrazin's Thesis in short:
Intelligence is inheritable at 50 to 80 percent. Many foreigners in Germany are coming from semi-illiterate social classes. Since the birthrate of foreigners is very high, Germany is getting dumber.

There's more like that. He might have a point with some ether thesis, but this one alone is more than enough to never read his book. And I'm glad they are going to fire him. I just hope they're not going to offer him a big severance package with it.
 

KremBanan

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Happy birthday Hyarmenion!!
:balloons::congrats::propeller::guiness::punk:
 

Uncle_Mike

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Happy birthday Hyarmenion!!
:balloons::congrats::propeller::guiness::punk:
True, Happy belated HB Hyar ;) I hope I manage to say it INYARFACE soon ^)^

IN the meantime, enjoy GC :)



 

ScionOfStorm

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Yeash, got my exam in Constitutional law. 5.5 out of 6 (the degree system here is 2 for poor, up to 6 for excellent).

Now 2 weeks total laziness until I start the new year ^^
 

Pif

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Nice one. Gratz!

Cheers

Pif
 

Groo

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Yeash, got my exam in Constitutional law. 5.5 out of 6 (the degree system here is 2 for poor, up to 6 for excellent).

Now 2 weeks total laziness until I start the new year ^^
Congratulations Scion :thumbup: Now I know where I have to go if I need a good lawyer later in my life...

Groo



 

BRKO

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

I have just launched diablo after awfully long time and it say there is going to be a reset 28. september 2010?

Is that good news or bad news? Price drop expected?
 

Pif

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Good news for me.

Come to The Dark Side, I mean Non-ladder.

We need fresh meat...

Cheers

Pif
 

BRKO

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Hey Pif :)
I guess I wont play NL - my only char is more or less complete. But you are surely going to get what I hoarded on my mules after the reset .)
 

Fish

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Reset? Again? My God, is that a sign?

How are you doing, old farts? :D I have submitted my dissertation on 24th August and looking for a job now! Anyone knows a good place for supply chain manager, please give me a shout (Country doesn't matter!!)

Regards ;)
 

Pif

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

BRKO - Really? Fankoo Very much!

..and WB Fish!

Cheers

Pif
 

Groo

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Far to early with ladder reset after only 6 months (I wonder what Blizz is up to :scratchchin:) I guess you dedicated NL-players are laughing your hearts out now...

Nice to see you back on the forum Fish :nod:, and please come to Norway - I am surtain you will find a job here!
 

Pif

Diabloii.Net Member
Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

I guess you dedicated NL-players are laughing your hearts out now...
Well I'm not. I always end up drifting back to ladder several months after the reset. Didn't really get a chance this time. I guess I'm permanently trapped in NLworld now :) ..But its always quite nice to see the new Non-ladder players trying to sell their guls for extortionate prices just after a reset.

Seriously though, are any of you lot making the move to NL this time?
You'll be most welcome ofc.

Cheers

Pif



 

Chairnick

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Re: >>> The "ETF Gathering on 17.-19. Sep in Prague" OT Tread: See post 1 for details

Okay fags, I want daily (if not hourly) drunken reports for us losers that can't leave real life for drinking our brains out at the moment.
 
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