Possible to hit 4 frame attack w/ 2hnder?

Darksteel

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Possible to hit 4 frame attack w/ 2hnder?

Just wondering if its possible for a bear to hit a 4 frame attack with a 2hnder or not.
 

Verashiden

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o_O Just looked it up on the Calculator. It says you CAN hit 4 frame with 108 ias bp on phase. Hmm, I coulda sworn I read something about a 5 frame cap somewhere...

OH, that was about the Assassin Bear hitting 2 frame attack and how it wasn't fair...

^^;; Ignore me, I've been up for... 19 hours sick.
 

proudfoot

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Werebears can hit a 4-frame Maul with a 6-socketed Phase Blade with 108 IAS, yep. That's going speed rather than damage, though. You can't do it with a two-hander.
 

SSoG

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Werebears can hit a 4-frame Maul with a 6-socketed Phase Blade with 108 IAS, yep. That's going speed rather than damage, though. You can't do it with a two-hander.
Not quite.

The following weapons will all hit 4fpa while using Hunger as a werebear:

Phase Blade-
6 Frame Attack- (30% IAS + 10% off-weapon IAS) OR (40% IAS)
5 Frame Attack- (45% IAS + 10% off-weapon IAS) OR (55% IAS)
4 Frame Attack- 85% IAS

Chu-Ko-Nu or Demon Crossbow-
6 Frame Attack- (15% off-weapon IAS) OR (10% IAS)
5 Frame Attack- 25% IAS
4 Frame Attack- 65% IAS

Large Axe/Great Axe/Military Axe/Gothic Axe/Champion Axe-
6 Frame Attack- (45% IAS + 5% off-weapon IAS) OR (50% IAS)
5 Frame Attack- 65% IAS
4 Frame Attack- (80% IAS + 10% off-weapon IAS) OR (85% IAS + 5% off-weapon IAS) OR (90% IAS)

Feral Axe-
6 Frame Attack- 40% IAS
5 Frame Attack- 60% IAS
4 Frame Attack- 75% IAS

Thresher/Giant Thresher-
6 Frame Attack- (45% IAS + 5% off-weapon IAS) OR (50% IAS)
5 Frame Attack- 65% IAS
4 Frame Attack- (80% IAS + 10% off-weapon IAS) OR (85% IAS + 5% off-weapon IAS) OR (90% IAS)

These are the only weapons capable of reaching a 4-frame attack with Hunger (actually, you can reach it with mauls and speed 0 Axes/Polearms, too, but it requires too much of a gear sacrifice to be worthwhile). You will want to use one of these if you are dealing large amounts of elemental damage, or if you have 67% or more Crushing Blow. Now let’s compare the white versions of the 4 “fast†hunger weapons:

Both the Phase Blade and Demon Crossbow deal 33 average damage. The Elite Axes/Polearms will deal around 75 average damage, making them far and away the best leechers of the pack. The Phase Blade has the advantage of coming with a shield, which makes it the preferred weapon for Kodiaks who like blocking or who use their shield as an additional source of elemental damage. The Phase Blade has 6 sockets and can hit top speed using 3 jewels and one open socket. The Demon Machine has 5 sockets and can hit top speed using 3 jewels and one open socket. The Champion Axe and Giant Thresher have 6 sockets and can hit top speed using 0 jewels, 2 open sockets, and 10% off-weapon ias (or 2 jewels, 1 open socket, and 0% off-weapon ias). The Feral Axe has 4 sockets and requires all 4 to hit top speed (3 shaels and 1 jewel of fervor). Neither the Phase Blade nor the Demon Crossbow requires repairs. Stat point wise, the Feral Axe has no dex requirement, the Champion Axe requires 59, the Demon Crossbow requires 98, the Phase Blade requires 136, and the Giant Thresher requires 140. Considering all of that, the best weapons of the bunch are the 6os Phase Blade (if you want a shield), the 6os Champion Axe (if you want more damage/leech with low stat reqs), and the 6os Giant Thresher (if you want to max out your damage and range).

These are the best ways to reach a 4-frame Hunger:
*6os Phase Blade with 2 Shaels, 3 Jewels of Fervor, and one unused socket.
*5os Chu-Ko-Nu with 1 Shael, 3 Jewels of Fervor, and one unused socket.
*6os Champion Axe/Giant Thresher with 4 Shaels, two unused sockets, and 10% OIAS.
*Jeweler’s Champion Axe/Thresher/Giant Thresher of Quickness with 2 Shaels, two unused sockets, and 10% oias
*_______ Champion Axe/Thresher/Giant Thresher of Quickness with two sockets from Larzuk stuffed with Shaels, and 10% oias
*Jeweller's Champion Axe/Thresher/Giant Thresher of _______ with 4 Shaels and 10% oias
*Mechanist's Champion Axe/Thresher/Giant Thresher of Quickness with any four other affixes, 2 Shaels, and 10% oias
*4os Feral Axe with 3 Shaels and a Jewel of Fervor
*Jeweler’s Feral Axe of _______ with 3 Shaels and a Jewel of Fervor
*_______ Feral Axe of Quickness with two sockets from Larzuk stuffed with a Shael and a Jewel of Fervor
*Jeweler’s Feral Axe of Quickness with a Shael, a Jewel of Fervor, and 2 open sockets.
*Mechanist’s Feral Axe of Quickness with any four other affixes, a Shael, and a Jewel of Fervor.

As you can see, once you start factoring in magic items, the Feral Axe, Champion Axe, and Giant Thresher quickly outpace the other “fast†hunger weapons in terms of raw power. Theoretically, one could get a rare Cruel Mechanist’s Feral Axe of Storms Of Quickness with a Shael and a Ruby Jewel of Fervor that had 340% enhanced damage, 75% ias, and 6-120 lightning damage that attacked at 4 frames per second and leeched 100+% of the physical damage dealt. Champion Axes and Giant Threshers have the advantage because they can become just as good... but they're actually SHOPPABLE (Feral Axes cannot be purchased). Champion Axes can be purchased from Hratli, while Giant Threshers can be bought from Halbu and Larzuk. If you were patient enough, you could actually shop Larzuk for a Cruel Giant Thresher of Quickness and then pray for 2-sockets.



 

Darksteel

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Thanks for the help guys, honestly this is for a revamped fireclaw druid I'm making, not a hungry bear =)
 
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