Possible East Ladder

[inanefedaykin]

I wouldn't object to edjie's interpretation, the day dreamer is a pretty mid grade build anyway.
How about max 10 from gear but no sorb if something gives you more.

 

[GalenDoUrden]

I wouldn't be too worried about your Daydreamer right now Edgie as there are no fire based characters on the ladder, so it offers you no benefit. I'm fine with everything you guys have talked about. With regards to life tap, I say no life tap at all, I always see it as the same as rejuv potions.

Also we'll have a seperate thread for the acutal ladder and challenges.

 

[stuslegend]

#11 - @ - tinncann25, *retired_jieshi2, Giltinan, javazon
challenged
#9 - @ - stuslegend, *stus_legend, iLLmacuLate, bowazon
[ I won 5-1 , no place change ]



#9 - @ - stuslegend, *stus_legend, iLLmacuLate, bowazon
challenged
#7 - @ - Sechler *sechler4 shadysadist ww/trap
[ I won 5-4 , swap spots]

 

[crawlingdeadman]

he is talking about items that need to be permed when leaving game.

i realize this. what i was trying to say was that dupes i personally care less about than "created items" (then again all the NL dupes shouldnt be on ladder in the first place so i think if you can name it then it should be banned, but i also think if we go this route we need a clear banned list so there's no confusion). if you complain about one dupe you cannot not complain about another. everyone has duped runes in their gear. i think that we should just not perm each other out then if you use a dupe you'd risk losing it and therefore not want to use it. i waited a long time to get a coa i could trust so that i wouldnt have to worry about perming :thumbsup:

stacked res imo should be as much as one can get (4 topaz etc shields not allowed)

you contradict yourself. as much as one can get would include specific res shields would it not?

are we going with the euro ladder rules as is? i think they're pretty fair.

Dueling rules:

- No healing potions/shrines/ no mana pots for ES based sorcs.
- No charges from items, yep, no lt sticks/wolves/oak and such.
- No prebuff, see next rule.
- After you have bo'ed and cast es etc. you cannot go into stash. That is an instant loss.
- No mercenaries, no nk, no badmannering any kind.
- Dodge limit is 3 days
- You can only challenge a person 1 - 3 spots ahead of you.
- Duels are first to 3 or 5 (Challenger will have last word on this).
- Game must be played on Hell
- Challenger must pm challenged for duel, challenged must answer.
- Map must be cleared of all monsters.
- Duel starts when _both_ of the players have said ".go" (notice the dot).
- Defensive play is NOT encouraged, but remember the line between "running" and defensive play.
- If a player is requested to show equipment, it must be done asap without going in to stash. ( abs enforcing )
- If player drops from a game when inventory check is requested, that counts as an automatic loss to the player.
- Rejoining the game only because of charge bug, anya bug or some other good reason is allowed.
- If #13, #14 or #15 is challenged by a non-ladder player and he loses, he will drop out of the ladder.
- You need to wait 12 hours before dueling the same opponent again

Absorb rules:

- 1 piece of absorb ( only exception is 2x raven which is allowed against blizzers)
- No rules on stack whatsoever.
-Max of 85% to a single resistance

Banned items:

- Exile/Dracs/Last Wish
- Hotspurs
- Rising Sun

Ladder Rules:

While a point system would be nice it would be waay to hard for new playes to catch up and hope on climbing the ladder. That.. and the fact I like the dog eat dog climate this will cause.

You may challenge duelers up to 3 spots above you, if you succes you'll take his/her place. If you loose.. you immediatly up for getting challenged again. The winner gets a 12 optional hour relief period.

You may only challenge one opponent at a time, after a duel if finished you can challenge another person immediatly.

Be sure to call your challenges here BEFORE you pm the dueler. This is done to prevent problems ( I DID BLAHBLAH EARLIER?!! ) .

3 Dodge days means a dueler has 3 days time to respond and duel.

Take screenshots JUST in case troubles appear, both duelers must agree to the outcome.

 

[inanefedaykin]

Seems fair, saves me buying another shako to prebuff.

 

[mainaman]

i realize this. what i was trying to say was that dupes i personally care less about than "created items" (then again all the NL dupes shouldnt be on ladder in the first place so i think if you can name it then it should be banned, but i also think if we go this route we need a clear banned list so there's no confusion). if you complain about one dupe you cannot not complain about another. everyone has duped runes in their gear. i think that we should just not perm each other out then if you use a dupe you'd risk losing it and therefore not want to use it. i waited a long time to get a coa i could trust so that i wouldnt have to worry about perming :thumbsup:


you contradict yourself. as much as one can get would include specific res shields would it not?

are we going with the euro ladder rules as is? i think they're pretty fair.

you do realize that if a hammerdin slaps on such res shield+wizzy+kiras and any, elemental char will do next to no dmg?
i was pointing out that such shields are somewhat bm against ele chars.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

yeah i do i was just wanting you to pick which one you meant either

stacked res imo should be as much as one can get

or

(4 topaz etc shields not allowed)

 

[Camden]

yeah i do i was just wanting you to pick which one you meant either

or

I understood him to mean gear that's a part of a setup. IE, 20/5s, wizardspike, trang gloves, etc.

Old casterpk rules said that a 160 res shield for example (ie like a nec would use vs a blizzer) was gm but counted as the single piece of sorb allowed, which I think is perfectly reasonable.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

okay then that makes more sense.

 

[GalenDoUrden]

Well if these rules are okay with everyone then I will post them a little later today with the ladder thread. We'll get this topic closed soon if there are no more comments.

 

[Arutha]

whats the verdict on the topaz'd or saphire'd shields? Sanctuary ok?

 

[bradtford]

- No healing potions/shrines/ no mana pots for ES based sorcs. Agreed
- No charges from items, yep, no lt sticks/wolves/oak and such. Agreed
- No prebuff, see next rule.Agreed i assume that any item on weapon switch can be used to "prebuff" but must remain in that slot on char. or can u use anything u carry, i.e. leaving item in inventory in place of charms, would that be allowed to use?
- After you have bo'ed and cast es etc. you cannot go into stash. That is an instant loss.Agreed
- No mercenaries, no nk, no badmannering any kind.Agreed but whats bm beyond whats already listed?
- Dodge limit is 3 daysAgreed
- You can only challenge a person 1 - 3 spots ahead of you.Agreed
- Duels are first to 3 or 5 (Challenger will have last word on this).Agreed
- Game must be played on HellAgreed
- Challenger must pm challenged for duel, challenged must answer.Agreed
- Map must be cleared of all monsters.Agreed
- Duel starts when _both_ of the players have said ".go" (notice the dot).Agreed
- Defensive play is NOT encouraged, but remember the line between "running" and defensive play.Agreed
- If a player is requested to show equipment, it must be done asap without going in to stash. ( abs enforcing )Agreed but whats abs enforcing?
- If player drops from a game when inventory check is requested, that counts as an automatic loss to the player.Agreed
- Rejoining the game only because of charge bug, anya bug or some other good reason is allowed.Agreed , What do you do if u chargelock during a duel?
- If #13, #14 or #15 is challenged by a non-ladder player and he loses, he will drop out of the ladder.Agreed
- You need to wait 12 hours before dueling the same opponent againAgreed

Absorb rules:

- 1 piece of absorb ( only exception is 2x raven which is allowed against blizzers)Agreed in part, since dual ravens are a part of many builds that require dex/ar i think dual ravens should be acceptable for any duel not jsut blizzers
- No rules on stack whatsoever.Agreed
-Max of 85% to a single resistancei would agree to the +10 from items but if someone wants to use skills to add to it i think that should be unlimited

Banned items:

- Exile/Dracs/Last WishAgreed
- HotspursAgreed
- Rising SunAgreed
all perming, everyone leaves game from battlefield

Ladder Rules:

While a point system would be nice it would be waay to hard for new playes to catch up and hope on climbing the ladder. That.. and the fact I like the dog eat dog climate this will cause.

You may challenge duelers up to 3 spots above you, if you succes you'll take his/her place. If you loose.. you immediatly up for getting challenged again. The winner gets a 12 optional hour relief period.Agreed

You may only challenge one opponent at a time, after a duel if finished you can challenge another person immediatly.

Be sure to call your challenges here BEFORE you pm the dueler. This is done to prevent problems ( I DID BLAHBLAH EARLIER?!! ) .Agreed

3 Dodge days means a dueler has 3 days time to respond and duel.Agreed

Take screenshots JUST in case troubles appear, both duelers must agree to the outcome. Agreed

sorry if some of this is too nitpicky but i am still a bit new to dueling.

 

[GalenDoUrden]

The only two issues I have are the stack shields that some palladins can use (205 resists) and the skills that give you additional +max resists (paladin skills). I like the idea stated before where the shields count as a piece of absorb. I think in the case of additional +max resists from skills that these should also count as the piece of abosrb as a dreamer could easily have 95 lightning resist and a DayDreamer could have 95 light resist and high fire resist. This would be easy to enforce (except for a hammderin) as we all know which characters would have those skills maxed.As for the sanctuaries, I don't see any problem with them.

The show gear for abs testing is to look at the persons absorb.

As for the chargelock, make sure you check before you start the duel.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

i say if you start a duel and realize you're locked you either tough it out or stop the duel, take a loss, and s/e return.

 

[UnK]

lets get dueling, some1 challenge me.

 

[crawlingdeadman]

i believe it's been mentioned that there'll be another thread for the actual ladder/challenges.

 

[mainaman]

i believe it's been mentioned that there'll be another thread for the actual ladder/challenges.

while waiting for that i challeneged
bradtford, *tfordnc2, galahad_hammers, hammerdin
for his spot

 

[GalenDoUrden]

Yeah there will be, I'll put it together right after I get back from lunch. This topic can probably be locked now.

I'll be sure to put your challenge in the new thread mainaman

 

[Uncle_Mike]

Yeah there will be, I'll put it together right after I get back from lunch. This topic can probably be locked now.

I'll be sure to put your challenge in the new thread mainaman

If you want a this thread locked a simple PM will do the job :thumbsup:

 

[bradtford]

while waiting for that i challeneged
bradtford, *tfordnc2, galahad_hammers, hammerdin
for his spot

wait a minute, he challenged sent pm i sent pm accepting but its a 4 spot jump(10-6 right?). i dont mind, but do we want to start out with modifying the rules(or have we even set them yet?)?