Poisonmancer + Rabies Druid...any experiences?

[det]

Poisonmancer + Rabies Druid...any experiences?

I am planning to play a poisonmancer (maybe dagger, maybe Nova) in a party with a Rabies Druid.

Now, the Druid claims, that Rabies will overwrite any poison, while it cannot be overwriten by e.g my Poison Nova.

That sounds like those builds in one party would not help each other, actually be counterproductive.

Does anyone here have experiences with that?

Thanks for any tips

 

[Mad Mantis]

Does anyone here have experiences with that?

After your post I started searching here and on several other forums to see if there was some info on the stacking of Rabies. Almost all of these threads only speak of poison charms etc. stacking with the application of Rabies. I couldn’t find any info on Rabies overwriting Nova.

If I had to take a guess I would say that Rabies does indeed overwrite Nova. I can’t explain it, but it seems more logical to me.


Poison is something that confuses me. The way it stacks or doesn't stack, how the durations work and how many hp's per frame damage I'm actually doing. I hope JoJeck can come up with a link for me.

 

[det]

Yeah poison seems to be weird. Alas, no info on AS concerning the poison skills. How would Poison Creeper affect Rabies? If they stack, why shouldn't it stack with a Poison Necro? If 2 sorcs cast Blizzard, those don't cancel each other....

Really hoping for one of the Masterbrains of Poison here :lol:

 

[Necrochild313]

In my exprerience the poison with the most dmg/second overwrites any poison source with less dmg/sec. I've seen that with my venom/kicksin I can overwrite a poison nova necromancer's nova even though one of my venomed attack deals less damage in it's full duration than the full duration of one nova.

Oh yes, poison never stacks, the only reason why 2 blizzards "stack" is because it does not "afflict" the target as poison does. It's a AoE immediate damage attack (horrible wording I know) much like firewall.

 

[det]

In which case the poison from my synergized dagger or PN would always be more damaging per second than Rabies?

Or is Rabies at lv 20 1000 damage over 11 seconds PER second :scratch:

 

[JoJeck]

After your post I started searching here and on several other forums to see if there was some info on the stacking of Rabies. Almost all of these threads only speak of poison charms etc. stacking with the application of Rabies. I couldn’t find any info on Rabies overwriting Nova.

If I had to take a guess I would say that Rabies does indeed overwrite Nova. I can’t explain it, but it seems more logical to me.


Poison is something that confuses me. The way it stacks or doesn't stack, how the durations work and how many hp's per frame damage I'm actually doing. I hope JoJeck can come up with a link for me.

Sorry Mad Mantis I don't have any magic links this time I have recently been searching for the same sort of information on Rabies that det is asking here. Few of the technical gurus on other forums seem to know much about how rabies works in combination with other forms of poison and I've asked that very question. I'm looking for this information because I have a Rabies Druid, currently at level 76 in Act 1 Hell . He has maxed Rabies and the Poison Creeper synergy and with Trangs does about 15,000 damage over 15 secs or about 1000 per second.

So if he were playing alongside a properly developed Poison Nova Necro I guess the PN would overide the rabies poison and then when the PN wore off (after 2secs) the rabies aura would re-infect the target if it was still active.

However, I'm a bit unsure how well a Rabies Druid and Poison Necro would work together since both use poison as a major method of killing and only one source can be active at once (at least that is my current assumption) it just might be that rabies works differently and in parallel with ordinary poison... a bit like Open Wounds does. The Necro would certainly help the Druid with LR and CE to back up and finish off but I can't see what the Druid can do for the Necro (except perhaps fast boss killing with Fury and crushing blow). So the partnership might be somewhat one sided.

 

[jungwolf]

Over on the Druid forum they were looking at Poison Creeper and Rabies. I'm not an expert, but I'll try to regurgitate the main points.

It seems that, except for PC, the poison source with the highest dam/sec overrides all other poison on the monster. So for nec vs druid, compare the poison rates of the skills and there you go.

Now PC is an odd bird in that when a monster is on a mat the PC shoots out a poison missile (not visible to the player) that acts like other elemental damage instead of normal poison. In effect each frame the monster is hit by the missile which always does damage (whether the monster is affected by poison already or not) and then the "poison rate" of the monster is checked to see if the PC poison sticks or if the previous poison sticks. So a monster infected with rabies and also on a PC mat takes damage from the missiles (which is basically instantaeous damage) and also from the rabies. Once the monster steps off the mat the PC's poison dam/sec is compared to the rabies dam/sec and the higher one stays.

The other wierd thing about PC is it seems to generate one missile for each monster, which hits each monster. That is, 1 monster gets only 1 missile, but 5 monsters each get hit by 5 missiles (up to a certain max). The end result is counter-intuitive: a large group gets killed quickly while a solitary monster pretty much ignores the PC.

 

[darnocpdx]

The posiion damage from the highest damage per second will definately over ride the weaker. If you go nova expect all other poisoners to steal your victoms, it is nearly the weakest poison in the game (even synergised), however Poison Explosion and Posion dagger are both difficult for other classes to override, poison explsion synergised is easily the highest poison damage in the game.

For a better damage per sec. with dagger pump it till level 9 or 10 then start on maxing synergies. This will actually make your damage per second higher than continueing with PD, however you will lose the duration bonus of PD so you'll actually lose overall damage potential. You should find a balance that you can live with.

Really there is no benifit to two poison lines grouping on a regular basis.

 

[darnocpdx]

PS this question got me to write the FYIoison Damage thread.

Most likely you'll end up kill stealing your friend most the time.