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Poison-summon hybrid for 1st char?

Discussion in 'Necromancer' started by windwingwind, Sep 22, 2006.

  1. windwingwind

    windwingwind IncGamers Member

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    Poison-summon hybrid for 1st char?

    hi experienced necro fellows :wave:

    Just wonder what's your opinion on using a Poison-summon hybrid as first char in hardcore ladder. Would it be killing ok without much twinking gears?

    Thx :wave:
     
  2. Dazuni

    Dazuni IncGamers Member

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    I think by poison summoner you will max out the poison tree, skelly and skelly mastery.

    I think it will be just fine, but dont make silly hardcore mistake, like teleport into a room full of monster, runing to the front line etc. and you might want to team up for normal andy. coz I think necro have most problem with her.
     
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    Poison focused.

    20 RS
    20 psn dagger
    20 psn explosion
    20 psn nova
    10 points into all curses.

    After that, its as many points into SM as you can. This is if you prefer poison as a primary mode of attack, however, your skellies won't be as buffed as a normal skelemancers or have a strong CE ability. Plus side is, you are not as dependent on corpses as a pure Fishymancer. This build sucks alot of points though and you will want to put pts into other parts of the summon tree as well.

    Having alot of +skills is recommended for this build. Death Fathom plus three piece trang set is highly recommended. Cast LR and watch the green death sweep through them while skeletons add as additional damage dealers and tanks.

    Summon focused.

    20 RS
    20 SM
    20 psn explosion
    20 psn nova
    10 pts into curses.

    Other pts go into 1 pt wonders like CG and SR etc. Stronger skellies but your psn attack will be more supportive rather than a main attack. You will spam nova as the skellies cut through your enemy legions to speed up the job. Use LR and psn nova to get the first few corpses and let the fun begin.
     
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    windwingwind IncGamers Member

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    Thx Bladewind

    You get to the point.....after reading the two guides in stickies I'm not sure which route to choose. It's better for new char to take the skele route, but it would just be another summoner which I played quite a few. Think I will take the first route and gradually getting wealth for a Death's web ^^.
     
  5. Bladewind

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    oops got me there, its death web not death fathom -__-

    P.S. There is always Bramble if you go the psn route. :laugh: No Nigma but you prolly won't rely on skellies too much anyway though you might need it in the Maggot's lair.

    Gotta love poison. Trang glove + belt + shield + DW + Bramble. :grin:
     
  6. minizx

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    i dont play hardcore myself because in too much of a wimp i guess :p
    but i have just made a poison/summoner ill post my gear and stats before anything else

    gear

    helm : shako (will have a 5/5 poison facet)
    armour :enigma mage plate
    belt :arrachnid mesh
    boots: marrows
    gloves : trang owls
    sheild : homunculus (i want a 5/5 poison facet here too)
    weapon deaths web (and here :p) also beast on switch
    rings 2x rare fcr rings with a bit of res str
    amu :maras

    stash
    anni
    torch
    5 p+b skillers
    res sc's

    all my stat points are put into life

    skill points

    p+b
    20 poison dagger
    20 poison explotion
    20 poison nova
    1 teeth
    1 corpse explosion
    1 bone armour

    curses

    1 amp
    1 weakon
    1 terror
    1 im
    1 life tap
    1 decrep
    1 lower resist

    summon

    10 skeleton mastery
    7 raise skeleton
    1 clay golem
    1natural resistance
    1 summon mage

    at the moment he is lvl 82 and in 1 player games he tears through almost anything except souls and the venom lords in the wsk and throne and also cold worm the burrower because of lower resists doesnt get rid of there poison immunity :(


    so what i want to do (when i can afford it )is use an act2 merc with infinity
    but till now im going to put my remaining points in reveives because of my skeletons simply dont deal enough damage corpse explosion is nice but theres a lack of bodies in the throne when facing up against venom lords and when your skeles face up against venom lords its not 10 vs 1 its 10 vs 10-15 so the venom lords cut through my poor little skeles in no time so i think if you go through the summon route this wouldnt change

    so i hope this helped as intended and you dont see this as bragging :p

    hope this helps
     
  7. Bladewind

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    1) Infinity does NOT affect poison immunes.

    2)Your poison gains tremendous damage if u use Trang shield + Trang belt and glove.

    Trang-Oul's Wing
    Defense: 175-189 (varies)(Base Defense: 50-64)
    Required Level: 54
    Required Strength: 50
    Durability: 20
    Chance to Block: 60%
    (Necromancer Only)
    +125 Defense
    +30% Increased Chance Of Blocking
    Poison Resist +40%
    Fire Resist +38-45% (varies)
    +15 To Dexterity
    +25 To Strength
    +2 To Poison And Bone Skills (Necromancer Only)
    -25% To Enemy Poison Resistance (3 Items)

    Put in another Psn facet for -30% !

    Trang-Oul's Girth
    Defense: 134-166 (varies)(Base Defense: 59-66)
    Required Level: 62
    Required Strength: 91
    Durability: 18
    16 boxes
    +75-100 Defense (varies)
    Requirements -40%
    Cannot Be Frozen
    Replenish Life +5
    +25-50 To Mana (varies)
    +30 Maximum Stamina
    +66 To Life
    Cold Resist +40% (3 Items)


    Trang-Oul's Claws
    Defense: 67-74 (varies)(Base Defense: 37-44)
    Required Level: 45
    Required Strength: 58
    Durability: 16
    +20% Faster Cast Rate
    Cold Resist +30%
    +30 Defense
    +25% Poison Skill Damage
    +2 To Curses (Necromancer Only)

    You lose out on FCR that Arachnid offers, blocking and resists on the Arachs but marvel at the damage. ;) An additional -30% poison resist is a HUGE factor, combined with DW (psn faculted) you are looking at double damage figures after Lower Resist (even just lvl1).

    Then the crowning glory for a poison necro has to be a 2 os + 2 necro skill + 20 fcr circlet with other goodies. 2 more facults for more FUN !

    3) Max raise skeletons offers greater benefit before SM is factor in. 10 SM and 7 RS (assume NO +skills) create 206 hp and 28 dmg skeles but only 4. 17RS creates 336 hp and 23 dmg skeles BUT there are 7. In general raise skeletons create more resillient skellies and give you more of them.

    4) As for Venom Lords, use Decrip and a Clay Golem. Slowing them down helps immensely, a Might merc with Pride will help the skellies in the killing speed while Might merc with Doom CA pretty much slooooows down the Venom Lords to impotent levels when combined with Decrip.
     
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    i know infinity has -50 light res but the conviction aura and lower resist should be enough to break there poison immunity also im going to make dream in an eth corona i have to make use of the holy shock -50 to lightening conviction and lower resists
     
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    Nope conviction does NOT affect poison resists / immunes, it affects only fire cold and lightning resists/immunes. Don't waste the runes !
    Aside from giving your merc decent Lit damage, all it does is make it easier for your skellies to hit the enemy.

    Lvl 15 Holy shock:

    13.3 radius
    dmg to attack = 1 - 648
    dmg to enemy = 1 - 108

    With lvl12 Conviction = -85% resist (EXCEPT POISON) and -82% def
    Infinity has - 50% lit resist
    Your LR is 20 -62% resist (i check ur + skills)

    Total = - 197% Light resist.

    Lvl15 HS dmg = 1 to 648 dmg
    Real damage = 3 to 1924 dmg

    Not a whole lot of damage but is a nice boost to the merc. But then there are better alternatives. So don't waste the runes.

    http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/paladin-offense.shtml#conviction
     
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    :goofy: lol guess i should check arreats more often i guess
     
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    If your just starting=poor I would plan on using trangs set. it should be reasonably cheap and it works well. My first poison summoner used it.

    I would go with
    20RS
    1 SM
    1 CG
    1 GM
    1 SResist
    20 PD
    20 PE
    20 PN
    10 in curses

    That puts you at level 82 with all quests completed. Somewhere a long the way you need to decided if you want to have revives or not, I like them, some people don't they cost two points. Your remaining points can go to Skeleton Mastery or Curses depending on what you like.

    I should add a disclaimer, I don't play hard core as I tend to suffer from lag a lot.
     

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