Poison dagger

[SorsScriba]

Poison dagger

I've been looking for a guide to weigh my plans on this build against and I can not find one. So heres a posts to either get called noob with a url embedded or accuall opinions. Either is fine with me.

Gear choices:
Trang set- Shield pdiamonded, Armour and helm poison facet'd (1 lvl, 1 die)
Upgraded Blackbogs (sheal'd)
Marrowwalks for the bug
sheal'd wizspike for dueling sorces (this build is meant for pvp and pvm)
Carrion, Manald, Highlords (pvm
Angelics (pvp)

Skills:
1 pt Bone armour (low mana cost)
20 P dagger
20 P Explosion
20 P nova
10 Lower Resist
1 pt Skelly Warrior (Distractors for pvp)
1 pt Clay Golem
8 prereq's
Dump in BoneWall

Stats:
120 str
dex for block max block (prolly about 130 base end game at lvl 85)
Dump in vit
no energy

Ayone have thoughts or help?

 

[Mad Mantis]

We do have a draft guide on Daggermancers. There is also a brief mention of a Daggermancer build in this guide use Ctrl+F for navigating. We also have a discussion regarding Daggermancer weapons here.

For more threads use the search feature.

Some quick help, do not pump 10 in LR. That is a waste since diminishing returns kick in hard after level 7. See how high you can get with just 1 point and +skills. Dump in more points later on.
You will need more AI curses like DV, Confuse and Attract.

 

[PsychoticEwok1]

yeah, my friends and i thought up a really cool dueling concept:

maximum damage daggermancer.

basically, you would use meleer gear (SS (mosers with diamond and ber good too), CoH/enigma, CoA, etc.) but the main point was in the weapon:

there were two choices:

Ghostflame Legend Spike
or
Fury Legend Spike

either one, we havnt done much testing. im not 100% sure if you can PUT a fury RW into a dagger.

but damn, thatd be alot of damage. (legend spike is actually suprisingly high in damage)

 

[Mad Mantis]

either one, we havnt done much testing. im not 100% sure if you can PUT a fury RW into a dagger.

Fury works really well in a Fanged Knife. The others do not have enough sockets. But you can also just use a Fleshripper.

 

[SorsScriba]

Sorry for not choosing to scythe through all the poison threads which mention dagger as a synergy. As I said I did look through both the stickies and some of the searched threads. I do not like the idea of the Venom RW dagger listed in the draft. Fury is a tad out of my price range. I personally do not care for skellies or coward curses.
I thank you for the replies.

I do have one more question... Can the poison from poison dagger kill like the poison on poison nova and rabies.

 

[Kyo]

Fury works really well in a Fanged Knife. The others do not have enough sockets. But you can also just use a Fleshripper.

At last LAST after all this time !!! i finally found a fleshripper!!!!!!! muhaahhahahahahhahaha :worship:

Now i can stop raving about this item.......fear me evil frog!!

 

[Mad Mantis]

I personally do not care for skellies or coward curses.

Not to rain on your parade, but without those “coward curses†you are going to do a lot of “tactical retreatingâ€. All the ranged attackers will have a field day.

The only way to gain a steady amount of crowd control without your curses is to build up a good Bone Prison or Bone Wall.

 

[Mad Mantis]

Now i can stop raving about this item.......fear me evil frog!!

Dude, SAM is not Evil. Congrats on the Fleshripper though. :thumbsup: :drink:



EDIT: removed wrong answer. Misinterpreted the question from SorsScriba

 

[darnocpdx]

In PvP no it wont it'll drop em to one HP, as such dueling poisoners tend to run with a fire golem.

 

[PsychoticEwok1]

thing is, poison dagger, while fun, its not at all practical.

for example, you have a sorceress with max fire bolt, ball, meteor, and mastery.

you dont see her attacking with firebolt, now do you?

same with a necro. you CAN use PD for the fun of it, but it'll be really weird when you are poking things one at a time... and you know that 1 hotkey away you have the awesome power of a poison nova.

kinda sad, id like PD to be a loner skill... so you woulnt be tempted to "cheat" when things got hairy.

 

[Mad Mantis]

same with a necro. you CAN use PD for the fun of it, but it'll be really weird when you are poking things one at a time... and you know that 1 hotkey away you have the awesome power of a poison nova.

That is were discipline and role-playing come into play. Most of us that play Daggermancers do so for the fun and challenge of it. It requires a different mindset.

 

[darnocpdx]

Sorry for not choosing to scythe through all the poison threads which mention dagger as a synergy. As I said I did look through both the stickies and some of the searched threads. I do not like the idea of the Venom RW dagger listed in the draft. Fury is a tad out of my price range. I personally do not care for skellies or coward curses.
I thank you for the replies.

I do have one more question... Can the poison from poison dagger kill like the poison on poison nova and rabies.

If you are refering to my prelim guide, I only included Venom and Bramble cause I know it'd be asked. I in no way think a daggermancer should use one, even as I suggested while building skills. I just knew people would bring it up anyway.

As for the AI curses you'll have trouble in Act 3 norm+ without one reguardless of gear, unless you're always in games with 4+ very organised players, but then your killing so fast your poison isn't the most effective, unless you're running ahead of the rest assassinating the ranged. In PvM the thrill of this build is the slow mehtodic game play, not speed...you want fast try a boney.

I strived to keep the guide laid out in such away that one could do quite well untwinked.

 

[SorsScriba]

Mantis,
I am sorry for angering you yet it was not my intent. However as I see you have so far been unhelpfull even with your choices you offered. As I see no matter what my experience in the nec forum I admit... I R N00B!!! Happy yet?

I am used to playing with difficulty so please do not take this as an insult but I will not be using those coward curses. If any other curses are to be used I will make use of decrept and lifetap.

Thank-you cpdx for that bit of info. I since it does not kill I guess I'll finish with poison nova which I have seen does kill in pvp last season with my novamancer. Or maybe I'll use a fireball lol.

 

[Mad Mantis]

Mantis,
I am sorry for angering you yet it was not my intent. However as I see you have so far been unhelpfull even with your choices you offered. As I see no matter what my experience in the nec forum I admit... I R N00B!!! Happy yet?

It takes a lot more than that to anger me, but I can see why you would think that. The tone of my last post was a bit off.

What I am curious about is that I pointed you in the direction of the various guides and most useful threads regarding Daggermancers. I told you how you might be able to find some more info. I commented on what I perceived to be things that could lead to serious problems PvM wise. How is that not being helpful? What did you expect of me?

 

[darnocpdx]

thing is, poison dagger, while fun, its not at all practical.

for example, you have a sorceress with max fire bolt, ball, meteor, and mastery.

you dont see her attacking with firebolt, now do you?

same with a necro. you CAN use PD for the fun of it, but it'll be really weird when you are poking things one at a time... and you know that 1 hotkey away you have the awesome power of a poison nova.

kinda sad, id like PD to be a loner skill... so you woulnt be tempted to "cheat" when things got hairy.

A properly stacked PD will dwarf nova in total damage. And if you want amazing fast killl poison damage go with an assassin's venom, by far the fastest poison damage in the game when stacked with items. Poison explsion is the biggest unstackable poison damage in game...so what is so great about nova? other than the convience of not having to aim it.

Here is a compairison on poison skills and how to stack the poison damage.

http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=247769

 

[Starcrunch]

A properly stacked PD will dwarf nova in total damage. And if you want amazing fast killl poison damage go with an assassin's venom, by far the fastest poison damage in the game when stacked with items. Poison explsion is the biggest unstackable poison damage in game...so what is so great about nova? other than the convience of not having to aim it.

Rate of damage on PN tends to be higher. I actually really like PD over PN, it is a very satisfactory way to kill stuff, especially when you consider that you can attack and poison several monsters at once. It also has an excellent damage to mana ratio.

-Starcrunch

 

[SorsScriba]

you dont see her attacking with firebolt, now do you?

And yes I have seen this in duels with firebolt traveling a little bit fast than ball she killed almost everyone she ran into... even my fully resist mageslayer (her 92, I at 87 at the time). All it takes is knowledge of the game which is what I came here seeking.

Mantis what I expected was really a "Hey check this out ww.blah.com joo n00b, lol" type thing. I do not live on these forums so going through so much info is difficult for me. Now after surfing a little bit more in the necro forum now I see you like to push the ai curses, which is fine, but thats not my thing being I like to duplicate alot of my diablo 1 play style into everyone of my builds. Relax a little... I am not hear to insult but I expected a little less seriousness when I tried to start the first post with a little humor. Thank-you for your responses.

 

[darnocpdx]

I hope you don't play HC. You'll never get out of Norm (in fact you probably won't get out of Act 1) without a rush without.

All meleemancers and daggermancers need to have one of these three set ups:

1) a beefed up clay golem, or
2) Dim vision or Confuse or
3) a combo of 1 and 2

I think alot of what you precieve as anger towards your statement is the fact that you called the AI curses cowardly. They aren't, are the pallys def line cowardly, Sorcs armors and tele, Zons passive? No they are part of the game. And besides they aren't cowardly, check out how Im useing LT and Confuse to kill in the mojomancer guide down below.

There is a big difference between controlling a situation and cowardly. Cowardly will be your daggermancer tping to town every two minutes cause you don't have any saftey buffers.

What I don't understand is why you'd come here seeking advice and then shun it all, if you've got it all firgured out why ask? If you don't like our advice don't take it. It's that simple.

 

[Mad Mantis]

Now after surfing a little bit more in the necro forum now I see you like to push the ai curses, which is fine, but thats not my thing being I like to duplicate alot of my diablo 1 play style into everyone of my builds.

Wow, I really did come across wrongly. What I wanted to say that it may be a good idea if you took a look at the AI curses. What we regularly come across are new people who haven’t the foggiest about the AI curses. I couldn’t accurately guess your level of necromantic knowledge, so I suggested them.

I’m all for playing the game your own way; we all have our own role-playing limitations and enjoy them. I didn’t mean to shove the AI curses down your throat and say: “take this or don’t playâ€. So if you still dare to read input from me on other forms of crowd control, I’ll try to consider your aversion of AI curses.

I expected a little less seriousness when I tried to start the first post with a little humor.

Normally I answer all questions made by people, who I don't see posting here on a regular basis, with seriousness. It makes it easier for people to determine what info is useful to them and what is not. But no harm is done. It seems we both read the posts of the other person wrongly. Have a beer. :drink:

 

[Dreamsmith]

I hope you don't play HC. You'll never get out of Norm (in fact you probably won't get out of Act 1) without a rush without.

Hmm. You're not a very good player, obviously. A decent player can not only get through Act 1, but in fact entirely through normal, without spending any skill points at all. It follows from this that, no matter how brain-damaged a build is, unless you're a tragically poor player, you can get out of Norm with it.