Pointy Sticks

Atil

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Pointy Sticks

Due to the recent generosity of certain monsters I have both a Spire of Honor (177 % ED) and a Hone Sundan (199 % ED). Which one is better for my Barb's Might Merc? (1 Pul short of an upgrade for either).

I also found an Ethereal Godly Dusk Shroud: 1846 (163 % ED) Defence. Is this worth keeping and socketing?
 

Uzziah

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Atil said:
Due to the recent generosity of certain monsters I have both a Spire of Honor (177 % ED) and a Hone Sundan (199 % ED). Which one is better for my Barb's Might Merc? (1 Pul short of an upgrade for either).

I also found an Ethereal Godly Dusk Shroud: 1846 (163 % ED) Defence. Is this worth keeping and socketing?
1846 defence, that would be a nice armor for a merc atleast, maybe not the best but nice for a merc.

I wouldn't socket it, use the sockets to make a stone or gloom much more effective for merc equipment.
 

phatbrava

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Liliel said:
ShaelShaelShael Hone Sundan. The CB will eat bosses alive.
definately Hone Sundan
but i would stick an Amn + 2 Shaels
i know LL doesnt work on some bosses, but it may help in some cases, and it sure helps when questing
and on top of that, when having that Amn in it you can forget about any other helm and use Guillaume's (that's a total of 80% CB)
...at least thats how i do it
 

Atil

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phatbrava said:
definately Hone Sundan
but i would stick an Amn + 2 Shaels
i know LL doesnt work on some bosses, but it may help in some cases, and it sure helps when questing
and on top of that, when having that Amn in it you can forget about any other helm and use Guillaume's (that's a total of 80% CB)
...at least thats how i do it
Thank you for the advice. I'd read about the Shael/Shael/Amn combination in another thread. I have a Guillaume's Face in ATMA. You have convinced me, time to re-equip Merc and go give more monsters a good tickling.
 

phatbrava

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Atil said:
Thank you for the advice. I'd read about the Shael/Shael/Amn combination in another thread. I have a Guillaume's Face in ATMA. You have convinced me, time to re-equip Merc and go give more monsters a good tickling.
socketing hone sundan is really a matter of personal choice, and it really depends on what are you going to do
if you're only going to farm hell meph...forget about Amn...meph cant be leeched
again, if your merc has LL from his helm, you dont need that Amn...
and, guillaume's only really useful with bosses...normal monster can go down without it almost as fast...if you go questing, there are other better choices, depending on your or your merc's needs (vap gaze, stealskull, crown of thieves etc etc)
 

robdylan

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I was using Hone Sundan on my Might merc (admittedly unsocketed) with very little success. The wee bugger kept dying. I switched to a +4 Arioc's last night, and the result was phenomenal. He's wearing Stealskull, which takes care of the leach just fine and a Godly Archon Plate of somehting or other (1k+ def). What an improvement. He's actually usefull now!
 

SeDnA

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robdylan said:
I was using Hone Sundan on my Might merc (admittedly unsocketed) with very little success. The wee bugger kept dying. I switched to a +4 Arioc's last night, and the result was phenomenal. He's wearing Stealskull, which takes care of the leach just fine and a Godly Archon Plate of somehting or other (1k+ def). What an improvement. He's actually usefull now!
Weird. I use Shael/Amn/Amn Hone Sudan + 15%IAS Jewel Stealskull + Duriel's Shell and he does fine in hell. Nothing up'd yet. I predict some difficulties soon though.
 

phatbrava

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robdylan said:
I was using Hone Sundan on my Might merc (admittedly unsocketed) with very little success. The wee bugger kept dying. I switched to a +4 Arioc's last night, and the result was phenomenal. He's wearing Stealskull, which takes care of the leach just fine and a Godly Archon Plate of somehting or other (1k+ def). What an improvement. He's actually usefull now!
well, Atil was asking to go whether for Spire of Honor or Hone Sundan
there are of course better merc weapons than these two
and i cant believe your merc stopped dying by only changing his weapon...maybe he had another headgear and armor as well...
 

robdylan

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SeDnA said:
Weird. I use Shael/Amn/Amn Hone Sudan + 15%IAS Jewel Stealskull + Duriel's Shell and he does fine in hell. Nothing up'd yet. I predict some difficulties soon though.
I can only assume it must have something to do with the attack speed. My guy had NO ias whatsoever and really sucked.

Still, don't have enough runes lying around to try stuff out (pathetic, I only have one Amn!) yet oddly enough do have about 3 Arioc's Needles.

What about Bonehew? Anyone used that successfully? Is the ctc Bone Spear at all useful?
 

supermatt

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i'd go AmnAmnShael in the HS - especially if you're gonna use a Guillaumne's Face. that's the setup my Fishymancer's Merc uses, along with a 2% off perfect Gladiator's Bane.

don't spend the Pul Rune on either - you need an eth HS before it's worth a Pul. i have a perfect HS and i haven't bothered upgrading despite having the Pul for it.

:) matt
 

robdylan

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phatbrava said:
well, Atil was asking to go whether for Spire of Honor or Hone Sundan
there are of course better merc weapons than these two
and i cant believe your merc stopped dying by only changing his weapon...maybe he had another headgear and armor as well...
Changed the armour from Griswold's Valor to the above-mentioned Archon Plate. Only about 100 more def.
 

Liliel

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I usually use leeching helms (Gaze, Stealskull, Tal's) for my merc, hence the lack of Amn.

As for Bonehew, it does nice damage. Can't say I've really noticed the Bonespear doing much though.
 

supermatt

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through hundreds of Pindle runs with a Sorc i reckon Reapers is one of the best crowd control merc weapons. i tried Bonehew, Tomb Reaver and some other stuff and Reapers > all

with a Fishy HS works very well since crowd control is the Fishy's job...

:) matt
 

bill_n_opus

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Usually I go Shael/Shael/Amn for the Hone ... depending on what your merc is wearing for headgear. I'd only really up it if you have an eth version ... although I broke down and upped my regular one anyways. Obviously, the thing(s) about the Hone that makes it so good is the 3 sockets and crushing blow which allows it to stand out.

If you will eventually use something with IAS like a Stealskull or Andariel's then you'll have to check your breakpoints to make sure you make the next one in reasonable fashion and adjust accordingly.

As for Spire of Honor i've never looked at it that much because, for a merc, an Honor runeword in an ethereal Lance beats it hands down, all around, send in the clowns. The Spire isn't bad really ... but the Honor is better.

An Honor runeword eth Lance does much more damage, has +1 skills, has a level 27 req compared to 39 for the Spire and other stats - all for common runes. The hard part is getting the 5 socket eth lance.

Honor
Lance
'AmnElIthTirSol'
Two-Hand Damage: 113 to 453
Durability: 13 of 13
Required Dexterity: 78
Required Strength: 100
Required Level: 27
Spear Class - Slow Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xfcf8cf25
+10 to Strength
+160% Enhanced Damage
+250 to Attack Rating
+9 to Minimum Damage
+9 to Maximum Damage
7% Life stolen per hit
Replenish Life +10
+1 to Light Radius
+1 to All Skill Levels
+2 to Mana After Each Kill
25% Deadly Strike
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (5: 5 used)

As for Bonehew it's a nice weapon. Good damage and speed. An eth version would be great. The bonespear is better than nothing being that it's magical damage. The one good thing about it is that the 'spears help locating your merc which is a good thing if you play a necro summoner. Sometimes your merc gets lost in the crowd. If your merc starts getting beat up you'll at least have the ability to see the battlefield a bit better. A small point but a point nonetheless.
 

Serdash

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Honor is cool at level 25. But honestly if you need good Boss-Killing-Crushing-Blow at level 25, Strength is so much more sexy.

Strength
Lance
'AmnTir'
Two-Hand Damage: 54 to 230
Durability: 13 of 13
Required Dexterity: 78
Required Strength: 100
Required Level: 25
Spear Class - Slow Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 51
Fingerprint: 0xbbf251b0
+20 to Strength
+10 to Vitality
+35% Enhanced Damage
7% Life stolen per hit
25% Chance of Crushing Blow
+2 to Mana After Each Kill
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (2: 2 used)
 

Flamearrows

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I've had good experiences with a Bonehew - with one Amn rune in it, it tears through any leechable monster. The merc survives without potions for the majority of meph runs, though he does need feeding for baal. Mine's ethereal on a HF merc, but I had a non-eth one before that and it went just fine.

Bonehew
Ogre Axe
'Amn'
Two-Hand Damage: 166 to 861
Durability: 26 of 26
Required Dexterity: 65
Required Strength: 185
Required Level: 64
Polearm Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 87
Fingerprint: 0xa73bcb25
+297% Enhanced Damage
7% Life stolen per hit
30% Increased Attack Speed
Prevent Monster Heal
50% Chance to cast Level 16 Bone Spear on striking
Level 14 Corpse Explosion (9/30 Charges)
Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired)

Merc also has Tal's mask and a shaftstop, both non-upgraded.

flamearrows
 

dune6836

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have this one on a defiance merc. he is great. nothing stops him in hell. would like an eth one though!

Bonehew
Ogre Axe
'AmnAmn'
Two-Hand Damage: 117 to 607
Durability: 30 of 50
Required Dexterity: 75
Required Strength: 195
Required Level: 64
Polearm Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10 Expansion
Item Level: 75
Fingerprint: 0xa5c38b4e
+319% Enhanced Damage
14% Life stolen per hit
30% Increased Attack Speed
Prevent Monster Heal
50% Chance to cast Level 16 Bone Spear on striking
Level 14 Corpse Explosion (14/30 Charges)
Socketed (2: 2 used)

edit. would be nice if the prevent monster heal worked though
 

Atil

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Just a quick update:

I spent an hour or so yesterday afternoon running NM Countess, P1, hoping for an Amn. From no low level runes I managed to cube two Thuls and then she dropped, in three seperate runs, Sol, Sol and then Amn.

Merc now has his Shael/Shael/Amn HS + Guillaume's + Ethereal Coprsemourn. He spent last night mutilating Claw Vipers in the Crystalline Passage and seemed happy.

Whether he will still be smiling in Hell remains to be seen...
 

TopHatCat64

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supermatt said:
through hundreds of Pindle runs with a Sorc i reckon Reapers is one of the best crowd control merc weapons. i tried Bonehew, Tomb Reaver and some other stuff and Reapers > all

with a Fishy HS works very well since crowd control is the Fishy's job...

:) matt
One problem with using Reapers with a Fishy, the decrep overrides any of your curses and vice versa. Not good when you generally want Amp over everything. It's this reason I use a bonehew on mine.
 
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