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  1. Camden

    Camden IncGamers Member

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    Please rate my smiter guide

    This is my version/variation of a PvP smiter, one that looks beyond the typical charge-smite-charge-smite you encounter in pubs. I've had a couple smiters in the past, most notably on east nl and lad ("Regime" and "BlueDevils", respectively). Both are since retired. However I've had a few requests and some spare time, so here it is. This guide is based primarily off of my east nl one. Ie, not entirely legit and comparatively atypical (My ladder variant was a bit more cookiecutter and 100% legit. If there's enough interest I will post the legit setup as well). Please withhold any criticism until you've read the entire guide.... particularly regarding gear suggestions. Some of my choices are unusual, however at some point will be explained. I will try to be as in-depth as possible. As one smiter was stolen and the other is now dismantled, I'm going mostly from memory... please bear with me. I'll begin the guide with this: Do -NOT- underestimate the value of tele-smite.



    Gear

    Primary setup:

    COA, dual ber'd
    Archon plate enigma
    Grief phaseblade (Not zerk. I will explain why soon.)
    1x 20 dex ravenfrost
    1x Stat ring..... Aim for one similar to what I had, a 20 str 15 dex with life and/or cold res (perfect statted ring won't be cheap, but try for the best you can get)
    Armageddon Slippers (This is an east specific amulet. I'll post a s/s below; if you are from west/euro/asia simply try to find a close alternative)
    [​IMG]
    Spirit sacred targe (35 fcr, as much base res as possible)
    Magefists or Trang gloves
    Arachnid mesh
    65 life waterwalks

    Inventory:
    37x 20/5's (<-- Very important. If one thing is worth spending a bunch on for a smiter, it's life/res scs)
    Ptorch and anni (as high as possible obviously)

    Cta/spirit on switch obviously


    Stash:

    Soul spurs (Another east-specific item. [​IMG]. Main mods I keep these boots for are the strength and cold res.)
    Um'd wizardspike (Indeed, the "barb ow trick" is occasionally found useful with smiters..)
    Swordback hold spiked shield, Um'd or Ptopazed/Psapphired and twice upped
    Bloodfists
    Dracs
    Exile sacred targe (I prefer ed/ar. A bit of extra damage helps more than res vs the chars you need it for.)
    40/15 verdungos
    glitched hoz, ber'd
    Jah'd shako
    Ber'd shako
    Marrowalks
    Hotspurs
    1x ravenfrost 1x whisp 1x dwarf 1x carrion wind

    Added bm gear like nature's peace or hoto / more sorb / 205 cold shields or thul-thul griz helm/ eternity / crescent moon / gavel of pain can be useful as well. Though you won't have room for all of it. I suggest you like I did and have a mule grushed for when you need these ;)

    Some goals reached:
    75 fcr (Like I said, amazing telesmiting capability)
    ~2.5k onscreen damage (decent for all 20 lifers)
    4.8 - 5.2k life at lvl 90 depending on how strictly you stat your smiter and on setup
    Fhr note: Spirit + Coa together is 85 fhr. The breakpoint for 4th frame fhr is 86. If you so desire you may throw in a fhr sc to reach that bp. I personally chose not to as I see no need for fhr on a smiter when shiftsmite+walk or charge can pull me out of anything. But that's just me. :]
    Decent dr in main setup, max dr in other setups
    Highly stacked res

    Some gear explanations (The strategy section will also have some reasons behind particular setups):

    CoA vs Shako
    With shako it is simply not possible to keep good dr while maintaining the 75 fcr frame. The DR and stacked res a coa offers is simply outstanding in this setup. However, in the case where that extra dr boost is unnecessary, Shako > Coa anyday. The difference is approximately 200-250 life, give or take, as well as depending on what you socket your shako with... I suggest "Jah". After all you're only using it if you -don't- need the dr or to stack res. In coa I have roughly 4,850 life, with shako I hit 5050. I realize these numbers are somewhat low compared to many pure smiters that hit 5.2k+ on average, yet I strongly believe these other bonuses this build offers makes up for that. Aside from that, in 0 fcr setup with pure dr/hoz build, you will hit almost 5.3k life. I hit 5.7k in my SvS setup (but unfortunately that trick will remain with me ;). I add this to show it is very possible and dependent on what you use)

    Why not grief zerk?
    Yes, I realize a pb is 1 unit inferior to a zerk in terms of range. However, I enjoy the flexibility a pb build offers. You don't have to worry about keeping an IAS breakpoint (which frankly this setup doesn't allow too much room for). Also for the fact that you will be virtually unaffected by opponents that exploit "Slow target by X" as opposed to those that use a zerk, the effects of which can be critical. However in some instances I do prefer a zerk. More on that later, possibly, as it's what I used on my legit smiter instead of this one.

    Why not pcomb lifers?
    Because I don't think the damage output, although significant, is worth it. Unless you can find very high lifers, even plain 20 life scs > pcombs. However, your resistances will suffer and you may have to switch to make up for it.... Ie, kiras or coh or res boots, which -severely- compromises your build. 37x 20/5's is a total of +185 resistance. So in hell you have max res and then some from charms alone. So beyond charms everything is effectively stack to cut out facets, conviction, lower res, and cold mastery.

    I believe the rest of the basic setup is fairly self-explanatory. As I leave this guide wide open for questions, I will answer any that arise should I have left anything out or failed to explain something in detail. Now for the stash:

    Soul spurs:
    The only thing you may need these against are blizzers. The +strength also about matches that of the stat ring that you rely on to wear CoA, allowing you to replace a stat ring with a second ravenfrost if you so desire.

    Um'd wizardspike / Swordback hold / Dracs
    This primarily concerns east, were certain high es/mass bmana sorcs can tank an insane amount of smites, or in any case where you simply don't want to turn it into a contest of tanking ability (high es/dr/etc sorcs that still manage significant damage). In which case you can simply bleed them ^_^. I -RARELY- had to resort to this method. However the few times I did it worked like an absolute charm. Lock and charge or lock and tele+smite, retreat til the 8 second open wound duration runs out.... and work again. Once they're down you can simply finish them off with holy freeze or a single charge.

    Exile sacred targe:
    There are really only two instances where I advocate using an exile. That is in the instance of smite-v-smite where your opponent chooses to use an exile and occasionally vs a very skilled ele druid.

    Dungos
    For smite v smite... and occasionally if you feel the need to sacrifice fcr for dr vs druids and barbs

    Ber'd hoz
    For GM smite v smite.

    Jah'd shako / Ber'd shako
    For when you don't need dr, thus would prefer a life boost / For smite v smite setup

    Marrowalks
    Have str/dex. For the reasons that is a plus, see soul spurs. As well as lifetap charges..... <3. It's nice having lifetap on a hotkey when you need it (generally just for bm duels. I am strongly opposed to LT in gm duels.)

    Hotspurs
    For vs. fire sorcs. Obviously. Keep in mind that the Gm/Bm rules regarding hotspurs varies from realm to realm. Ie, on some realms it's generally acceptable whereas on others a fire sorc will be reduced to tears upon mention of a spurring opponent. If that's the case and you pity the sorc, a pair of Infernostrides get the job done.

    Other
    Ravens/Whisp/Dwarf/Carrion... for stack and/or sorb.... nature's peace/hoto for oak charges... 205 shield and griz helm if you blow and need it vs blizzers... eternity/crescent moon for revives or wolves (keep in mind your smite damage will greatly suffer).... Gavel of pain for amp damage...

    What you use vs certain classes, I hope, is common sense. Request specific setups if that is not the case. It's a method of simply choosing which item benefits the most and in turn requires you to make up for the stats possibly lost from switching items with another.

    Stats (based at level 90)

    Strength: As base as possible. You will have to invest a few points however (in my case I needed to add 3). With torch, anni, your stat ring, slips, and enigma, you will have enough for coa. Keep in mind that you may need to add one extra if you plan to use soul spurs to replace the stat ring every so often, soul spurs have 19 str. So if you have a stat ring with 20, you will obviously need to add one more. If your ring has less than 19, then disregard this last bit. And now this is very important. Most people tend to stat their chars as soon as they can use torch/anni, at lvl 75. I advise against doing this. The difference in the strength bonus an enigma gives at lvl 90 as oppose to lvl 75 is 11 strength.... which in many regards, is a significant amount. Enough to where I strongly recommend using 2 str scs and the like until you have levelled yourself as far as you intend to go.

    Dex: 136. 65% block with spirit at lvl 90 (which is plenty in most cases. Add a raven if you feel otherwise). Max block with hoz. Enough to use grief pb. 'Nuff said.

    Vitality: All else.

    Energy: none.


    Skills:

    20 smite
    20 holy shield
    20 fanatacism
    1 in vigor (significantly better desynch, and cleansing is a prereq that can come in handy)
    1 in holy freeze
    20 resist lightning (this build doesn't allow tgods for the most part. and as most elemental opponents are indeed lightning, the passive bonus is very valuable)

    That leaves you with 11 spare points. What you do is up to you, however here is what I chose:
    1 conviction (I team duel a lot. Teamed with a trapper, this works wonders)
    1 salvation (if you or your team need a bit of stack)
    Rest I loaded into charge.... bit of damage and ar never hurts. Or you could try foh if you find yourself chasing openwounds-shredded opponents that retreat with 1 life.





    Strats

    There are 2 basic ways a smiter closes in on an enemy. One is by desynch, which I will assume you already know how to do. The other is by teleing. Teleing onto someone on your screen is simple..... just mouse on over to them and press. Easy.

    Chainlocking is a bit harder. Those of you that know what I'm talking about will notice I tend to use this smiter's tele-smite capability VERY similarly to the technique of zerking with a bvc. However, for those that might not see that yet, let's start with the basics. To namelock, you must lock onto their name, whether with charge or smite or, as you will soon see, throw/unsummon (unsummon i believe is only available on left click to users of nightlight and LC mod). As smite is a left click skill, I choose to throwlock (i dislike auralocking). The basic idea of this namelock is to tele on your opponent from a distance. They can be anywhere from 2 or so screens away and you can still land on them simply by switching and holding throw on leftclick, and proceding to click tele on rightclick. If this is new to you, go try this before you read too much further on so you can understand what I'm talking about:
    Get a friend, and hostile him. Have him stand in the blood moor, and hold 'Throw' on him with left click. Tell him to then move away from you as far as he can without disappearing off of the minimap. Now, on right click (while still holding throw of course), press to tele. You'll be right on them. This is often referred to as "throwlock", "unsummon lock", or basic "namelock" in several senses.

    Now, the next step beyond that is "chainlock". You do all the steps of a basic namelock as described above, only you hold your cursor to where as soon as you come out of the initial tele, you are already locked onto them. Now you can switch back to smite and hit them or, if they tele away, switch back to throw and move onto them again. Chainlocking is as simple as moving your cursor on top of you (your character) as you tele from the initial namelock. It's surprisingly easy with just a little bit of practice, and is the entire premise of a tele-smiter. *(If the above explanation of chainlocking was not clear enough, I can "Frap" a video of it to post. For some it's easier to learn by watching after all.)

    Similarly, certain classes intend to do the same thing to you, and it will be necessary for you to "Break" their namelock. To do so simply run away far enough to where their name along with the little red "X" disappear from your minimap. Simple. Namelock broken.

    A smiter is at a class disadvantage to most other chars. Well, I wouldn't call it so much of a natural disadvantage so much as just about every single other class has a general solution to dealing with smiters. As such, to win, you must simply outwit and outplay your opponents the majority of the time. Thus, as a forewarning, don't be frustrated if you get your *** kicked a lot with your smiter initially, even in public games. Even though most consider a smiter to be a "skilless" class, they're no more simple to play than many other chars.

    Vs any class that does blockable damage/attacks, be sure to set yourself to walk instead of run. % chance to block is drastically reduced otherwise.
     
  2. Camden

    Camden IncGamers Member

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    Now that some basic corners are covered, on to more specific strategies. I will give a basic rundown of each class. These are merely guidelines. The details you can only learn yourself... I'm trying to encourage that. Anyways:

    Amazon

    - Bowa
    Simply charge and smite. One of the easiest classes for a smiter. If they desynch extremely well, flash holy freeze.

    - Cs zon
    If they're a legit cs, simply charge and smite them down. You're resistance is stacked beyond any -% light res they can muster, and with 85 base light res they shouldn't be a problem. If they farcast, fade and flip on light res aura. Toss on a whisp if you'd like. No need to worry about using fanat, they'll heal you.

    - Poison
    A good one can be tricky... they are capable of -massive- poison damage. Basically, kill them before you die. Most tend to throw a java in front of them and run forward into the cloud. Charge from the side once; if it lands, they'll be knocked out of the trail. Tele (do NOT run through the cloud if you can avoid it) and smite. If they don't get kb'd out of it, you'll have them in dodge or block animation. Finish them. Toss on andy's or antidote prebuff if you can't get the hang of it. This is a rare class however.


    Assassin

    Keep in mind holy freeze > ANY sin. Whether trap or wwsin or whatever else. Use liberally.

    Trap
    - W/s
    Weapon-shield sins are your *****. With 85 light res you can tank them for a good while. Desynch, tele before they can mb lock, and smite. If they kb and lock you with mb you may appear to smite, but apparently you won't be landing any hits. If you do get in such a stunlock, simply charge out and start again. Keep in mind most have max block, so charging isn't the most effective method. However if you know they are not mb, then charge them down.

    - C/c
    These are a bit harder. They do a bit more damage, and are capable of 'blocking' your smite. You can still withstand a good amount of trap blasts, but as you'll have to withstand them about twice as long in turn, I wouldn't recommend doing so. Charge around the outside and wait til their first wave of traps begins to drop. Holy freeze them in the meanwhile. When they begin to reset them, tele or charge and smite. Teleing on them is not possible if they have you mindblast locked. Break the lock if so. If they're like most, they will walk back and tele away once you're on them. Once they're on the run out of their traps, they're done for. Chainlock, smite, repeat, kill.

    - Wwsin/Hybrid sin/Kicksin
    Maxblock, stacked poison, and holy freeze > Them. They can block your attacks also as a c/c sin, but you can block them more than they can block you. Practice teleing in front of them and shift smiting; with a pb you both have the exact same range (2). So it shouldn't be a problem. The concept is basic but tele-smiting the appropriate distance infront of a whirling opponent can only be learned with practice.



    Necromancer

    -Bone
    A good one is difficult. They'll get bone spirits on your tail and prison the **** out of you. You'll have to constantly be breaking namelocks. The trick here is the element of surprise; desynch is your best friend in this matchup. A good desynch-tele-smite works wonders. However, any good nec with reflexes beyond that of a four year old will simply walk down, spear you once or twice, and move off to break your lock. If they're expecting you to chainlock (as they will after only a few times of you doing it), they'll tele into a prison and spam bone spirits up. If you tele on that, you're gg'd. I like to think it comes down to who has better reflexes and to you keeping them guessing by sometimes locking, sometimes not.

    -Poison nec
    Your poison res is (well, should be) stacked beyond what their lower resist can take away. If it's not (for example, you couldn't get good life/res scs...), slap on a pair of 70 res treks are drink a few antidotes and you'll be fine.

    -Summoners
    Exile. Or marrowalks. Tap and kill; with tap and max block you will out-tank iron maiden or amp damage. I hardly think of summoners as a "Gm" class as they rely on something outside of their control to cast their skill (slain monsters). Duel accordingly.


    Barbarian

    -Whirlwind (BvC, some BvB)
    One of the harder classes you'll face. In general barb > smiter. More range (unless you switch into a zerk....), more life, much more damage, more hitchecks, and the ability to control the matchup. The only thing you have going for you is max block :(. Switch to walk, and put on verdungos for max DR. The way barbs are taught to duel smiters is to whirl away if the smiter chases. Or if the smiter shift smites, to make long, 'clipping' whirls at the edge of the smiter and rely on range. Clipping whirls will destroy you hopelessly with a pb. Flashing holy freeze will help. Basically try to get them to tele long, and tele in front of them and shift-smite. Keep in mind long whirls can very easily desynch; place your teleport accordingly. Some people feel the defense boost and chance to lifetap from exile helps. Use at your discretion.

    - Warcry
    I've yet to meet one that's impressed me, though I've heard good ones do exist. Still no fair match. Max block + Max dr + 2 uninterruptable attacks > Wc barb.


    Paladin

    -Hammerdin
    Unhostile it. :p. Pessimistic as it is, you will not beat a good hammerdin. Period. End of discussion. However, you can surprise ****ty ones. Keep below them, so you can see them on your map before you see them..... holy freeze to help kill their desynch.... charge from a sort of south-west angle... this way seems to avoid hammers a fair share of the time.... if they sit, tele blindspot and smite... however never tele on top of them.... sit by a wall and shift-smite.... I don't know what more to tell you. Hammerdins are -the- anti-smiter.

    -Foher/Auradins
    Your stacked res > Both of them. They won't even scratch you. If worse comes to worse put on resist light for stacked 95 light res. Who cares if they cry, they can only blame themselves for making such a pathetic character. Holy freeze flash if they charge away and just charge them to shreds.

    -Smiter
    Ah, these are fun. I love charge start smite-v-smite. Put on dr/life setup (magefists --> bloodfists, coa --> hoz, arach --> dungos, spirit --> hoz..). Even though this isn't a smite-v-smite build, so to say, you should still do fairly well. I'll only cover the basics of "charge start" smite v smite, as walk-start is skilless anyways.
    Basically it comes down to hitting first. Reading your opponent's desynch, breaking a lock if they find you first, locking them, and switching to smite at the right moment (charge rarely lands against max block). As always "Gm" rules vary realm-to-realm, so depending on what's available you may prefer to use exile if they do, or flash holy freeze for a moment or two.

    -Zealer
    Smite > Zeal. Period. Just tank 'em. You can block them, they can't block you.


    Sorceress

    -Fireball
    Fireball sorcs ****in' hurt. Even with gm sorb. Desynch, lock, smite. Bleed them if you have trouble with their es, though a high es fb sorc with good damage is rare.

    -Light
    These are the ones you'll occasionally have to OW to death. Thankfully, their average damage, range, and cast rate is pretty pathetic. They just.... tank...to no end. Open wounds help. Charge, retreat, repeat. Chainlock or holy freeze kill if they're low on health.

    -Blizzer
    A max block high mana es blizzer is extremely difficult. Despite massive res blizzard and iceblast still pack a punch in GM. Most blizz themselves and spam iceblast. If that's the case, be patient. Do NOT get hit with the first hitcheck cast by bliz, as it hurts the most. Also keep in mind that their is a brief 'cool down' period after blizzard is cast. These can be windows of opportunity. If they tele out of bliz, namelock asap before they can recast on themselves... sometimes you get lucky. I wouldn't recommend tanking well-built bliz. They can slash your life down pretty quickly. Score a few hits and as soon as they recover and start to IB, get away and break their lock as soon as possible. Repeat.

    -Druid

    Elemental
    A good ele druid is tough. On my own I've yet to lose ft5 to a smiter.... a good druid will make himself too difficult to namelock. Most tele, nado, tele, nado, tele, nado... circling around you. My advice is to nail the oak first; occasionally a re-click after the oak is gone will lock you onto him, as hte oak is the first summon stacked and the only one that "sits" on his head. Once you lock and their oak is gone, unless they're max block, they're virtually finished. Occasionally they'll be able to walk back and tele away; chainlock and kill. Another method is to eat their summons up and chainlock as they recast... not the best strategy, you'll end up eating a ton of nados. The trick is knowing when to play offensively and when to play defensively..... HOPEFULLY the druid is dumb enough to tele on you. In a pure tanking contest, you'll win 9 times outta 10. A druid is the only class I promote the use of exile vs in gm duels. A good druid simply won't lose to a smiter otherwise. It's all about finding the lock before the druid realizes it and breaks it.

    -Shapeshift
    Fury: Max block should tank it. They hurt like hell if they hit, but you should still outlast.
    Rabies: Most hit you once and just run away til you die.... holy freeze and charge if they land a hit... I haven't dueled any decent shapeshift druids so my strategies here are lacking :(

    If I forgot something, please let me know. I wrote this very late at night so it wouldn't surprise me at all if I did. ANY sort of constructive criticism, comments, questions, etc etc etc is most welcome.
     
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    You are surely right about the GM/BM situations according to realms. In EUSCNL it's perfectly GM for a SVS-Build smiter to use Cleglaws Pincer's / Bug Belt and lvl 20 HF, which ditches out 35% slow from gear alone, then add the HF untop...
     
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    1. you clearly forgot the legit setup for ladder/non us east nl players :laugh: that part would be very helpful, not frowning upon dupes but I simply could not ever achieve that setup even if I wanted to since I play Europe, also in order for it to be stickied (maybe) and put into guide library the duped part will have to be toned down...
    2. that has to be one the best guides I've read in quite a whiler:thumbsup:
    3. In the barb strategy (I believe) you meant that you want them to make long wws and not teleports.
    4. smiter strategy - you cannot replace coa with hoz :tongue:

    In other words, minor proofreading and a big thumbs up!

    Mike
     
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    Asside from the suggestions of the slippers and such, great freakin guide man! Very well written, and definately can tell you've put some time into mappin everything out on this :grin: As Mike said, a quick proof read, reword the duped items as : "rare/crafted with +skills/stats/res/life/mana etc etc" and i think this guide should be immediately stickied.

    Again, great job and thumbs up!:thumbsup:

    -BLoke :smug:
     
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    HeavAngel Paladin Moderator

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    Nice guide but no duped items are allowed.

    If you redo your Guide I will sticky it. Until then sorry but this thread is closed!
     
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