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Please comment my pure light sorc

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  1. DarthLeader

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    Please comment my pure light sorc

    Hi all,

    I am plannning to rebuild my light/orb sorc into a pure light sorc because I was deceived by her performance on hell nihlathak in 8 players games.

    I want to use this sorc to grush and key, I already have a blizz sorc to mf.

    My plan looks like this:

    1 warmth
    20 CB
    20 Lightning
    20 CL
    20 Lightning mastery
    1 static field
    20 nova
    1 thunderstorm
    1 tk
    1 teleport
    1 frozen armor
    1 shiver armor
    1 ice bolt
    1 ice blast
    1 chilling armor (it owns: once in a while, it completly blocks a ranged attack)

    total: 110/110

    I have a few questions:

    1) I am hesitating between :
    1.1) 105 FCR with me holding the infinity (merc would have insight)
    1.2) 105 FCR with my merc holding infinity
    1.3) 200 FCR with my merc holding infinity

    1.1) If I go 105 FCR with me holding infinity, it would look like this:

    helm: griffon (has 25 fcr)
    amy: something with 20 fcr
    2 h weapon: low requirement infinity
    weapon switch: cta
    shield switch: random spirit
    armor: p up'd vipermagi (already have this, 30 fcr)
    gloves: magefist or trang oul (magefist = + warmth, mana regen, trang = cold resist)
    ring 1: 10 fcr ring
    ring 2: soj (Nature's peace when keying nighlatak)
    belt: arach (20 fcr)
    Boots: probably trecks or nice rare boots with fhr/res

    1.2) If I go 105 FCR with my merc holding infinity, it would look like this:

    helm: griffon (has 25 fcr) or shako
    amy: +3 light skill amy
    weapon 1: hoto (40 fcr)
    shield 1: spirit (35 fcr)
    weapon switch: cta
    shield switch: random spirit
    armor: Chain of Honnor (CoH)
    gloves: bloodfist or magefist
    ring 1: soj
    ring 2: soj (Nature's peace when keying nighlatak)
    belt: arach (20 fcr)
    Boots: probably trecks or nice rare boots with fhr/res

    I don't like es and max block, but they are not that useful for pvm sorc anyways (and almost impossible to reach if I choose 200 FCR)

    1.3) My lightning/orb sorc currently have 200 FCR and wears this :

    helm: griffon (has 25 fcr)
    amy: something with 20 fcr
    weapon 1: hoto (40 fcr)
    shield 1: spirit (35 fcr)
    weapon 2: cta
    shield 2: random spirit
    armor: p up'd vipermagi (already have this, 30 fcr)
    gloves: magefist or trang oul (magefist = + warmth, mana regen, trang = cold resist)
    ring 1: 10 fcr ring
    ring 2: soj (Nature's peace when keying nighlatak)
    belt: arach (20 fcr)
    Boots: probably trecks or nice rare boots with fhr/res

    2) Obviously, I won't go lvl 99. Which skill should I max last ? I heard of CB or nova, but can't decide...

    3) Should I put a point in enchant for my merc ? (Does it changes something ?)

    4) Does 1 pt energy shield worth it if I only have a 1 pt tk and use a vita build ?

    5) What’s the good FHR bp for a pvm pure light sorc ?

    6) Do you put lightning or CL on left click ?

    7) Do you hotkey lightning/CL to left click or right click ?

    8) Is CL better than CB for crowd control?

    9) Any general comments ?

    Thanks for your help,
    DarthLeader
     
  2. ProfessionalBerg

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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    As I'm playing Team Fortress 2 right now, I can't read through your wall of text. One thing though: Chilling Armor does not block attacks.
     
  3. Thyiad

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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    Firstly, CL/L requires 117% fcr not 105%.

    Have a read of two of my light sorc Mats (both are now 93):

    Tvashtar a 200% fcr light sorc
    Atil a 117% fcr light sorc who holds the infinity herself

    I use them both for p8 baal runs. I much prefer Atil.

    Yes I do miss the fcr when teleing, but I tend to teleport with my CtA and Spirit rather than the Infinity. Why? FHR on the spirit.

    While Atil does have less life/mana than Tvashtar (I made the Infinity in a Thresher because I wanted to use it on other characters and we don't use duped runes in SP), a couple of mana charms rather than light skillers does the trick and with BO, it isn't a huge deal.

    The great thing is if Atil's merc dies (he uses reapers), she doesn't. I have used a Shimmering Jewel in her Skin/Viper to get maxed resists.

    A lot of this comes down to playstyle and only you know how you prefer to play. I'm a bit gungo but while I like 200%fcr (I have a Meteorb 200% too), for this character which is going for level 99, I think I'm going to stick with Atil. Plus the crowd control with reapers on the merc is great.
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    @ProfessionalBerg: I hope you'll read a bit more next time you pass by here

    @Thyiad: good idea ! teleing with cta/spirit is way safer than teleing with infinity. Is the conviction aura activation delay as horrible that when your merc wears it ?

    I am still opened to all answers to my questions:

    1) 3 options
    1.1) 105 FCR with me holding the infinity (merc would have insight)
    1.2) 105 FCR with my merc holding infinity
    1.3) 200 FCR with my merc holding infinity

    2) Obviously, I won't go lvl 99. Which skill should I max last ? I heard of CB or nova, but can't decide...

    3) Should I put a point in enchant for my merc ? (Does it changes something ?)

    4) Does 1 pt energy shield worth it if I only have a 1 pt tk and use a vita build ?

    5) What’s the good FHR bp for a pvm pure light sorc ?

    6) Do you put lightning or CL on left click ?

    7) Do you hotkey lightning/CL to left click or right click ?

    8) Is CL better than CB for crowd control?

    9) Any general comments ?

    Thanks for your help,
    DarthLeader
     
  5. Darkoooo

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    http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=650433

    There are multiple videos in that thread. Chilling armor >>>>>****NEVER****<<<<< blocked a ranged attack. What started the rumor is lag, CA emitted a bolt even though the missile wouldn't even hit the target. So, I'd put only 1 point in Frozen Armor for the defense boost, saving 4 skill points. That way your end level would be 95 and not 99.

    1) I'd go with 117 FCR merc holding the infinity, gear:
    helm: griffon (has 25 fcr)
    amy: mara's
    weapon 1: hoto (40 fcr)
    shield 1: spirit (35 fcr)
    weapon switch: cta
    shield switch: random spirit
    armor: Chain of Honnor (CoH)
    gloves: bloodfist
    ring 1: soj
    ring 2: soj (Nature's peace when keying nihlathak)
    belt: arach (20 fcr)
    Boots: Rare boots with res and FRW

    117 FCR, 86 FHR, lots of +skills and res.

    2) As I said, you're now aiming at lvl 95. And the last skill maxed is always Nova, since you won't be using it and it's a synergy.

    3) No, not worth it.

    4) Nope, it'll only slow you down and be a pain in the ***.

    5) 86 FHR is plenty.

    6) I put neither, normal attack is on my left click, but you can put one you tend to use more often.

    7) I put them both on right click.

    8) In my opinion, yes it is.

    9) Not really, if her only purpose is going to be running Nihlathak, she's going to do just fine. Oh and one note on the merc gear. You might want to use Infinity + EGlad's bane (Sol'd) + Vamp Gaze (Um it so he doesn't have many problems with elemental attacks), as the bugged vipers deal physical damage.

    Edit: @UberB
    Yes that is true, but there are no lightning immune creatures at Nihlathak. If he plans to do something else with her too, then that is a good idea. And he would need to wear Magefists/Trang's in order to get to 117 with the setup you wrote.



     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    If you elect to have the merc hold the Infinity, then I think a Crescent Moon (or a crystal sword with six perfect facets) is in order. Otherwise you will not be able do enough damage to the former LI's who have lightning resists in the 90's. You can still hit the 117 FCR breakpoint with griffon's, spirit, coh, arach's, 10 FCR ring, and at least +2 sorc/7FCR ammy.
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    @ questions 6 and 7:

    i do chaos runs with my lite sorc veyr frequently and the only two skills that i actively use are lightning and teleport. so lightning on the left and teleport on the right.

    i don't reli use CL becoz of the higher mana cost and lower dmg. lightning pierces through targets anyway so it's good enough for me.
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    Hi all,

    @UberB: thanks for info, I might try crescent moon if I get trouble outside nighlatak runs.

    Up to date, here is where we are:

    Chilling armor doesn't own any more. My good old beliefs were destroyed in like 5 minutes by 2 youtube video by stephan : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWHfgzdU-D4
    and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HnHxs6zvdo

    Darkoooo suggested that merc wears infinity and I wear:
    helm: griffon (has 25 fcr)
    amy: mara's
    weapon 1: hoto (40 fcr)
    shield 1: spirit (35 fcr)
    weapon switch: cta
    shield switch: random spirit
    armor: Chain of Honnor (CoH)
    gloves: bloodfist
    ring 1: soj
    ring 2: soj (Nature's peace when keying nihlathak)
    belt: arach (20 fcr)
    Boots: Rare boots with res and FRW

    117 FCR, 86 FHR, lots of +skills and res.

    Seems like maxing nova last would be a good idea.

    I won't invest any points in enchant or es

    Seems like I am going to put lightning on left click, but hotkey lightning and CL on right click.

    Seems like CL is better than CB for crowd control.

    And I have some new questions:
    10) What's the best cold armor for pvm, now that chilling armor doesn't block ? And which one should we choose for pvp ?

    11) What would be the merc's best equipment to run nighlatak ? Vampire gaze ? I heard of gladiator bane, but wouldn't dury, shaftshop or fort be better ?

    DarthLeader
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    GBane is almost essential in that it provides Integer Damage Reduction. 'Sol' it for even better iDR. Keep it in stash/cube for when you go for Nihlathak, since for all other situations, there are better armors, like Fort.
     
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    Best one is Frozen Armor. Difference in defense isn't big, if you do have an extra skill point you could invest it in Shiver Armor as it works a bit differently than Frozen, but in most cases it isn't worth it (for example, if you finish your build at lvl 80 and don't know what to put the points in, you could put it in Shiver Armor).



     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    That notion of "Integer Damage Reduction" and sol it for Nihlathak is pretty unclear to me, could you explain why it is so superior to any other armor for nihlatak ?

    Thanks a lot,
    DarthLeader



     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    Remember Tomb Vipers and their poison clouds. Those are bugged (even if Blizzard says they don't), so in addition to poison damage, they also deal physical damage PER FRAME. I think it's something like 50dmg/frame or something. Since there are 25 frames in a second, physical DPS reaches sick amounts, and can rip even the strongest characters apart. The key is iDR, since it is very effective against small amounts of damage.
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    wow that's a very strong argument for gladiator's bane !

    I am still opened to comments, opinions and facts about:

    200 FCR vs 117 FCR with infinity sorc vs 117 FCR infinity merc

    Seems like maxing nova last is a good idea, but I'm still opened to ideas (also heard of CB)

    Seems like I am going to put lightning on left click, but hotkey lightning and CL on right click.

    Seems like CL is better than CB for crowd control.

    10) What's the best cold armor for pvm, now that chilling armor doesn't block ? And which one should we choose for pvp ?

    11) What would be the merc's best equipment to run nighlatak ?
    Vampire gaze ?

    It seems like gladiator's bane is THE best merc armor to kill hell nihlatak in full baal games ! If you don't think so or want to say something about this, please do it !

    If I don't wear infinity, merc will. If I do, merc will probably wear insight.

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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    I found a topic about Frozen armor vs Shiver armor, it's pretty interesting: http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?p=6445266

    And I am still opened to comments:

    200 FCR vs 117 FCR with infinity sorc vs 117 FCR infinity merc

    Seems like maxing nova last is a good idea, but I'm still opened to ideas (also heard of CB)

    Seems like I am going to put lightning on left click, but hotkey lightning and CL on right click.

    Seems like CL is better than CB for crowd control.

    10) What's the best cold armor for pvm, now that chilling armor doesn't block ? And which one should we choose for pvp ?

    11) What would be the merc's best equipment to run nighlatak ?
    Vampire gaze ?

    It seems like gladiator's bane is THE best merc armor to kill hell nihlatak in full baal games ! If you don't think so or want to say something about this, please do it !

    If I don't wear infinity, merc will. If I do, merc will probably wear insight.

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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    10) Shiver Armor for PvM, and I am not sure for PvP.

    11) GBane 'Sol', Andy/Vamp 'Sol' or 'Ral' (for Andy), Insight/Infinity in a low dmg polearm. You should use Nature's Peace, and not allow your merc to kill anything. Try to kill Frenzied minions fast, before they explode an leave a CE'able corpse for Nihlathak to blow up in your face.
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    I'm into the opinion of maxing Nova last, because CB is an excelent boss killer. Faster than Lightning if both are maxed.
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    It's like Charged Strike, really. Close in on the boss, and spam away.
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    10) Just, no cold armor for pvm. Save the skill point and forget about cold armors. I did and I never regretted that decision.

    11) I like just the standard setup - andyface/forti/infinity. The vipers aren't really a problem for me because I tp to nihla as fast as I can and then just find myself a nice open/safe spot somewhere around him and start killing faster than I can be attacked. The only problem arises when there IS no open/safe spot around him, but usually I can park myself safely, sometimes between some Ice boars or skeleton archers :'). Consequentially I don't really like to bother with Gladiator's etc. It's nice but very situational, and certainly not needed for keyrunning.

    Also, debating the infinity setup. I tried an infi-wielding sorc once and whereas I did not dislike it, I didn't really like it much either. You will still do a lot of damage. The decrease in +skills but the -55 res will make your damage more reliable. However, I encountered problems fixing my res and finding the items to get enough fcr. Once these problems are out of the way, I'm sure it should be a solid build.

    Otherwise, concerning 117 vs 200: just choose one and stick with it. Both will work fine. IMO the 200 version will be faster but will be harder to adjust to in terms of gameplay and especially equipment. The 117 fcr one doesn't really invoke any adjustment whatsoever, because it's very close to the standards that be (105 fcr, skill rings, etc).


     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    Let's see... 117 FCR:

    30 Vipermagi
    20 Magefists/Trang Oul's
    20 Arachnid Mesh
    25 Griffon's Eye

    This totals up to 95 FCR. Thus, we are left with choosing the right FCR gear for jewelery. Possible ways:

    2x FCR rings and 2+ FCR rare or crafted amulet

    1x FCR ring and 12+ FCR crafted amulet

    With resists, it will be:

    35 Vipermagi (can Um for 15 more)
    10-20 Torch
    10-20 Annihulus

    All in all, a bit short on resists. Unless your rings/amulet have solid resists on them (pricey).
     
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    Re: Please comment my pure light sorc

    I like 117 FCR with Infinity merc, gives higher resists. And high damage infinity polearm can be used for many more situations, as opposed to Infinity scythe.

    This would be my equipment:

    Griffon's w/facet
    6 socket crystal sword w/ perf light facets (or Crescent Moon)
    Chains of Honor Archon Plate
    35 FCR Spirit (NECESSARY to hit any decent breakpoints)
    Magefists
    Arach's
    Treks
    2 x soj
    Crafted caster ammy with at least 17 FCR, ideally with +2 sorc and resists. Or lose an soj for a 10 FCR ring, and the ammy only needs 7 FCR.

    Total FCR: 117
    Total resists: 100 Lit/~150 poison (depending on treks)/65 Fire. This is not counting the resists mod on the rings/amulet, Anya's, or Torch and Anni. You'll have maxed resists in hell without too much trouble.
     

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