half horu is nothing. ive heard people who have done hel cows cleared totally in p64 and the cow kign was left. he took over 1 hour of attacking to kill. thats the point where you make your own mouse button presser. i use a big book i have by the PC to lean it on the attack button if i gotinto hell baal on p8 and after a whieli see no threat. advice, dotn do that unless you ahev good life leech, or your slowly die..