PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

[HegemonKhan]

PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

U.S. captain rescued

U.S. snipers parachute on top the life "raft" (closed raft actually. like a rectangular box) at night (obviously..parachuting during the day isn't a good idea...."pigeon/duck/bird" shooting anyone?). the pirates come out with or without the captain to probably to "relieve" themselves or to let the captain do so. 3 shots simultaneuosly to the head. 3 dead pirates fall in a pool of blood at the same time. captain get's rescued.

now this is my kinda "diplomacy" !!!!!!!!!!! woot woot !!!!!!!!

i'm now a 100% obama supporter for him having authorizing the military action. the U.S. definately has the best soldiers.

"Do NOT mess with the U.S." -HK

applauds the snipers. awesome job. (though woulda been way more tight if did 1 shot and 3 dead pirates... but they have to lined up for that, lol)
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heard france had two engagements from news.

in 1 engagement. they lost a hostage. never heard about other engagement.

india blew up a pirate ship.

china has been said to have had incidents/engagements too. but news never gave any actual info.

now it's time to see if countries ally together and wipe out these pirates from somalia, or not....

the pirates in the mediterrean in ancient times were wiped out. the carribean pirates were wiped out (except for jack sparrow, lol). do present day countries have the same will to act as their ancestors did and wipe out these somalia pirates or not ?

 

[jmervyn]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

You're a bit late, aren't you? GW OTF thread here.

You'll never completely exterminate piracy, just like you'll never completely exterminate theft. But at least the issue was settled in the proper way - when I started hearing about the FBI treating the cargo ship as a crime scene I started getting very uneasy.

 

[stillman]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

Well Hege, all I can contribute is that I believe forces are trained to keep firing just in case their targets have post tramatic stress disorder. This can make a simple stressor evoke a stress response that is far greater than normal. So somone with PTSD can be so enraged they keep running forward to kill even after hit with a bullet. Your heros had to keep firing due to simple protocols to ensure the target doesn't get near. Well, honestly, this is all a guess based on inner logic. I'm in the helping field, not the forces.

But at least I'm CONTRIBUTING to your thread instead of bashing the hell out it like a JERK.

 

[Amra]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

You're a bit late, aren't you?

GW is behind the curve. lolz

But seriously, I'm glad it ended well.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

GW is behind the curve. lolz

I can't do it all on my own - besides this was a specific incident.

But at least I'm CONTRIBUTING to your thread instead of bashing the hell out it like a JERK.

If that's what you call contribution... :yikes:

I assume you're just making some wild statements for dramatic effect?

 

[jel]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

I'm glad that the hostage has been rescued, but it saddens me that the outcome had to be so tragic for every part.

You'll never completely exterminate piracy, just like you'll never completely exterminate theft.

How did you arive at this conclusion, or is it just logic sense, like that when saying for hundreds of years ago that we'd never be able to fly?
I believe piracy occours due to it either being worth the risk or because there're no other options. Remove those two and I don't think you'll see anyone doing piracy willingly.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

I'm glad that the hostage has been rescued, but it saddens me that the outcome had to be so tragic for every part.

What on earth is tragic about the outcome?

How did you arive at this conclusion, or is it just logic sense, like that when saying for hundreds of years ago that we'd never be able to fly?

Yes, it's logic, as in comprehending that human nature is no more "fixable" now than it ever was, nor will it ever be in the future. About the only way to eliminate thievery would be to hop the whole earth's population up on Prosac, and even then it would be a crap shoot.

I believe piracy occours due to it either being worth the risk or because there're no other options. Remove those two and I don't think you'll see anyone doing piracy willingly.

Remove the risk/reward motivation, eh? Good luck with that.

 

[HegemonKhan]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

it's amusing...

kill 3 to save 1. net loss of -2 to humanity

i feel sorry if those 4 pirates were simple fisherman, and the real hardcore pirates threaten to kill their family if they don't try to commendere ships. it probably is a lot like the drug cartels in mexico. if u don't kill this person we kill your family or if u don't try to smuggle this drug we kill your family etc...

war/force/violence is always ideologically wrong and criminal

but meh, 3 of "THEM" were killed and we saved our U.S. captain

on fox news geraldo, made an ironic point:

at the same time the news was talking about how the single captain was saved, in florida, there was a boating accident and it killed like 5-10 people....

 

[TheOgreMan]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

Whoa there buddy. In another thread you mention how if someone is party to a crime, and does not actively try to prevent it no matter the risk, they are as guilty as the criminals. You should be happy those three pirates were sniped out and there are that many less of "evil humans" to cause more trouble.

I find it odd that on the water these people are considered "pirates" but if they attempted to steal these goods on land they are just "thieves". It's a slightly amusing change of words to me; no matter the time frame the media has to put a spin on pirating to make it seem more exciting than just plain stealing.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

i feel sorry if those 4 pirates were simple fisherman, and the real hardcore pirates threaten to kill their family if they don't try to commendere ships. it probably is a lot like the drug cartels in mexico. if u don't kill this person we kill your family or if u don't try to smuggle this drug we kill your family etc...

Who are you and what have you done with Hege? This is completely opposite of your opinions in the other thread . . .

 

[AeroJonesy]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

I find it odd that on the water these people are considered "pirates" but if they attempted to steal these goods on land they are just "thieves". It's a slightly amusing change of words to me; no matter the time frame the media has to put a spin on pirating to make it seem more exciting than just plain stealing.

Meh, piracy also has an element of hijacking and hostage-taking. It's more than just theft.

I think the pirates need to realize that when you threaten people with guns, eventually someone is going to shoot back.

 

[HegemonKhan]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

Who are you and what have you done with Hege? This is completely opposite of your opinions in the other thread . . .

it's my evil twin (chuckles to himself).

my views never change. try to understand them better.

 

[bladesyz]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

To the people applauding the killings, let's see what your reactions are when the pirates start killing people instead of just holding them for ransom.

 

[BobCox2]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

To the people applauding the killings, let's see what your reactions are when the pirates start killing people instead of just holding them for ransom.

I expect it will be the same as it's been in the past, wars against the ports that shelter them.

 

[The Sandcat]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

To the people applauding the killings, let's see what your reactions are when the pirates start killing people instead of just holding them for ransom.

I guess there will always be some who want to let of serious criminals with a slap on the wrists. IMO piracy is a serious crime,not only because it threatens peoples lives, it causes millions of $ in damage to international trade daily.You and I will have to pay as well, as the cost is always passed on to consumers.

Now the first thing would be to affix a lethal electrical fence around the hull of ships, to make boarding for pirates near impossible.
The second is a heavy machine gun on the bridge. If armed people approach the ship, blow them right out of the water.If enough of these worthless creatures are killed,and the ransom money dries up, their supply of equipment,weapons and boats will dry up to. What the hell happened to the doctrine never to negotiate with terrorists? And that is what they are ,period.Mabe the war on terrorists should be taken to Somalia, as well.
3. Killing people is not really in the pirates intrest, as a dead hostage is not worth a dime, and will cause a deadly response from the country concerned.
4. To all those mamby pamby human rights freaks : The rights of the innocent take precedent over the rights of criminals. And I'm sure once you or your family fall in the hands of pirates/terrorists , you will be singing a different tune!

 

[jmervyn]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

To the people applauding the killings, let's see what your reactions are when the pirates start killing people instead of just holding them for ransom.

Because, of course, pirates never killed people <before> this. :coffee:

 

[jel]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

What on earth is tragic about the outcome?

I do always find it tragic when someone dies, no matter the circumstances.

Yes, it's logic, as in comprehending that human nature is no more "fixable" now than it ever was, nor will it ever be in the future.

You're doing it again, writing about stuff you've no evidence of. As long as there is progress in areas in relevance to the subject then you can never know what the future may bring.

Remove the risk/reward motivation, eh? Good luck with that.

I didn't say it was easy, if it was then it was already done, it was in response to you writing it would never happen. Btw. I don't believe there's a motivation derived out of risk, unless it's a variable of the reward you get (which there're many examples of in real life), however it's unlikely to apply to the man in the field when making the decision of being or not being a pirate.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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3. Killing people is not really in the pirates intrest, as a dead hostage is not worth a dime, and will cause a deadly response from the country concerned.

Um, I'm pretty sure not killing the hostage also resulted in a "deadly response" in this case. If you knew that they would try to shoot you either way, I don't see a reason why I, as a pirate, would try to keep the crew alive.

4. To all those mamby pamby human rights freaks : The rights of the innocent take precedent over the rights of criminals. And I'm sure once you or your family fall in the hands of pirates/terrorists , you will be singing a different tune!

Not really a human rights issue since they were in the process of committing a very serious crime while armed with not-insignificant weaponry. So while it's well within our rights to go in and start shooting, I think we need to take a good hard look at what kind of outcomes we'd like to see in the future and try to steer towards that.

Glad the guy made it out, though. Rough situation all around.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

I do always find it tragic when someone dies, no matter the circumstances.

I don't. At all. What I find tragic is that people choose to do evil with their lives, not that those who, "live by the sword shall die by the sword".

As long as there is progress in areas in relevance to the subject then you can never know what the future may bring.

What's that you say about evidence? Can you demonstrate <any> change in the human condition over the millenia? Other than an increasing disrespect for society and each other?

As to progress relative to the subject, yes, modern sniper rifles are a great example of progress. We've come up with marvelous ways to kill people from great distances.

I don't believe there's a motivation derived out of risk, unless it's a variable of the reward you get (which there're many examples of in real life), however it's unlikely to apply to the man in the field when making the decision of being or not being a pirate.

Oh jeez. Let me hazard a guess, you're not even into college?

Risk/reward is a facet of everyday life; the higher the risk of failure or punishment the less likely one is to make the attempt. Furthermore, what reward was there for Shackleton, Byrd, etc., to say nothing of Mozart? Many of those we now regard as great were failures or ill-rewarded. And most of those we regard as evil took the easy path, as did these young Somali goons.

 

[jel]

Re: PIRACY (not copyright stuff, REAL PIRACY)

I don't. At all. What I find tragic is that people choose to do evil with their lives, not that those who, "live by the sword shall die by the sword".

I didn't ask you about your opinion, so I don't see the relevance in this part, beside I'm not going to discuss with you what the definition of evil is, the way you just throw the word around seems to show a lack of thought in my view.
I you're interested in any reasoning for my opinion however as you asked about it, then look at post #219 (posted by me 01.04.09, the first post by me in the thread, on page 23 I believe) http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=719040&page=22

What's that you say about evidence? Can you demonstrate <any> change in the human condition over the millenia?

Honesty, if you're not away of the neurogical research progress that has happened especially in the latest century then you must be too lazy to google. As I didn't mention anything specific I don't really know what you want evidence for exactly otherwise. However I'd like some evidence of:

Other than an increasing disrespect for society and each other?

Because, as you may know, records of this, if even made today, isn't very old and a lot of it is unuseable as of the methods used earlier did not justify the requiretments (if someone in the middle age write in a book that it's so fun to be a knight, don't you see how subjective that is?)

As to progress relative to the subject, yes, modern sniper rifles are a great example of progress. We've come up with marvelous ways to kill people from great distances.

Seems irrelevant to what I wrote, but it's true, however it's not something new that humans are better at evolving great offensive capabilities and lacking the defensive capabilities.

Oh jeez. Let me hazard a guess, you're not even into college?

Let's up the level a bit shall we? It's insulting when you start to make comments on my person and if you're actually interested in a debate then please drop the hostility and try to keep on the subject, that way I might want to stay in the debate.
Btw. so you don't repeat the question: University, studying physics in biological life, specific on the brain.

Risk/reward is a facet of everyday life; the higher the risk of failure or punishment the less likely one is to make the attempt.

Yes that was one part of my argument. Though as you've started writing about stuff that had nothing to do with what I wrote about, I suppose you didn't understand what I actually did write, in stead of going to any level of personal offense, then please just ask me out about it, there's no shame in that.

Furthermore, what reward was there for Shackleton, Byrd, etc., to say nothing of Mozart? Many of those we now regard as great were failures or ill-rewarded. And most of those we regard as evil took the easy path, as did these young Somali goons.

Taking it step by step, I don't know the two first, AFAIK Mozart made music because that was a way he could survive more than he enjoyd it, but honestly I don't know, but I can give you a wiki link if you want one, further rewards comes in something else than what moral book you've decided upon through your will as your actions are derived out of your lusts just as well and your lusts is most likely simply a reward you get through various stimilus that gets activated in your brain.
So to say it short, he might actually have enjoyed doing it.

I guess there will always be some who want to let of serious criminals with a slap on the wrists.

You should try reading what people write in stead of placing worths in their mouths. Of course a slap on the wrists makes no sense, but we want the situation to turn from bad to good, and killing the pirates, if it could be avoided, doesn't really do anything in this progress.

IMO piracy is a serious crime,not only because it threatens peoples lives, it causes millions of $ in damage to international trade daily.You and I will have to pay as well, as the cost is always passed on to consumers.

Yes so in stead of letting unguarded ships passing through, maybe the companies should either invest in fire arms on their own ships with crew to command it, or maybe we should try the cheaper alternative and invest more of the BNP into helping these countries into a stage where the citizens won't even have to consider piracy.

Now the first thing would be to affix a lethal electrical fence around the hull of ships, to make boarding for pirates near impossible.

Would maybe work, would maybe not, there're strategic experts out there in the military however who I believe could come up with ways to hold the pirates off, so the question isn't really what the companies should do if the government doesn't do anything, no it's more why they don't do it already as this piracy is nothing new.

Mabe the war on terrorists should be taken to Somalia, as well.

I believe it should, as there's plenty of opportunity in the area, the problem lies in the people getting holded back by others who take advantage of them, this could be solved via a military action, so it wouldn't be to kill pirates, but to stop the reason of why the piracy occours.

4. To all those mamby pamby human rights freaks : The rights of the innocent take precedent over the rights of criminals. And I'm sure once you or your family fall in the hands of pirates/terrorists , you will be singing a different tune!

Everyone has equal right no matter what pattern of actions they arrive from, however I agree that I'd probably not be able to control my lust for revenge if anything like that should happen, that's why I hope there at least are someone out there in control who won't listen to my plea of revenge and are ready to stop me given I'm going to take it into my own hands.