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pierce question

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  1. JonnyFoster

    JonnyFoster IncGamers Member

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    pierce question

    Hi there, this has probably been asked before so sorry in advance i couldnt find the answer.

    is the pierce given by razortail 100% ? if not what % is it?

    basically my question is.. if im using razor tail do i need to invest into the pierce skill?

    Thanks!
     
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    fullflavor IncGamers Member

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    Re: pierce question

    razortail gives 33% to pierce. so yes you need to invest if you want to imrove the numbers. if not you dont have to invest anything and you get 33% from razortail.
     
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    Stevomoo IncGamers Member

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    Re: pierce question

    is it capped at 95%
     
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    Re: pierce question

    Pierce chance is not capped. But for a missile to have a chance at piercing, they need to pass the to hit check first. Note that missiles like LF have no hit check and will pierce every time if you have 100%.



     
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    Re: pierce question

    Not quite true. If you want more comprehensive answer take a look here
    Its actually not so simple.
     
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    Ugla IncGamers Member

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    Re: pierce question

    The post Allerii linked ignores the fact that pierce is limited up to 5 hits total, i.e. one missile can only pierce 4-times. Besides, the math is incorrect anyway :smiley:

    If p denotes the base chance to pierce (from Pierce skill&items), then p^n represents the chance to pierce AT LEAST n-times. The chance to hit EXACTLY n targets (including the first one) is therefore:

    p^(n-1)-p^n for n<5
    p^4 for n=5
    0 for n>5

    I agree though, that Pierce returns are not diminishing in terms of damage output, as long as you target sufficiently large packs. I made a table reflecting these relations within the Fury guide.

    Since we don't know much about how D2 generates "random" numbers, the relations may as well be pretty irrelevant - note that the considered events come in a very short time-scale, and thus their independence is a very optimistic assumption :laugh:

    With no cap on the chance to pierce, it's pretty easy to reach 100% with the aid of 33% from Razortail, and get the insidious RNG out of our schemes :evil:
     
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    Allerii IncGamers Member

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    Re: pierce question

    Perhaps you can try to read all five pages the thread contains, not just the first post in it:wave:



     

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