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Phoenix for hammerdin

Discussion in 'Paladin' started by Timmy, Jun 5, 2008.

  1. Timmy

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    Phoenix for hammerdin

    I was thinking of upgrading my hammerdin and I figured that maybe a phoenix might be nice. Anyone using this shield on their hammerdin? I have seen alot of "diablo bots" use it so it can't be that bad in pvm. I suppose it will boost my smite damage also if i get a good roll on the ed. ( made in a paladin shield with 45 resistance )
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    Both HoZ and Spirit are much better than Phoenix for a Hammerdin. The only thing it adds is the Redemption aura, which you can get yourself (and have it at a higher level).
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    maybe I am strange but i like phoenix in +3 hammer war sceptre (single player expereince by the way for this...it was built test)
    technically u can have something like +3hammer/+3 conc war centre, which effectively gives you same skills as hoto. it lacks resistance and FCR, but you can get thos covered and still use nice spirit shield for yourself.

    ofc, it was just a SP so i could fool around much, i wouldn't do same in b.net since runes are expensive and I'd rather redemption myself
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    Its only good for bots who dont switch between conc and redemption like humans
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    i think that it would be good, you would lose a bit of damage, but lets face it most hammerdins can loose a bit of damage and not have any sort of problem. in fact i think i will do this my self.
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    You will also lose resists, FCR and mana. Kinda big deal, IMHO. I'd choose spirit any day.

    In fact, I think Phoenix is utterly useless.
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    Resistance is not an issue for me and mana will be handled by the constant redemption aura. Fcr is lower, but you don't need to pauze anymore to use redemption so it might actually be faster. Stevomoo, let me know how it works out for you m8 :thumbup:
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    i will do but it wont be till later or maybe tomorow
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    not tried it yet (will do later) i think this will be awsome for dia runs, but i think for rushed then spirit will be better
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    Agree with you there, Phoenix is for pussies.:thumbup:

    I would never sacrifice an FCR, FHR, +2 skills, resists and 4 HR's just to get a redemption aura that I'm perfectly capable of flashing myself. How many times have you died without using Phoenix on a hammerdin? Assuming Shako/Hoto/Enigma/Spirit etc etc, since you're rich enough to include Phoenix as an option at all.


     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    I died once when I spawned the Venom Seal Boss in a 4-player game, and he ended up Extra Strong and spawned on top of me. 2-3 hits = me dead.
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    My 94 Hammerdin has a Spirit, a Pheonix, and a HoZ. I use this character only for chaos runs and rushing people.

    When I rush people, the Spirit is the best choice.

    For 8 person Chaos runs in Hell, the Pheonix is amazing. I never have to stop or anything. I use a rogue mercenary with Ice Runeword bow and I am unstoppable. I teleport from enemy to enemy casting hammers and never have to pause, even for a second.

    Since I use Pheonix, I am just working on getting back the FHR through charms and the FCR through a 2/20 helm and 2/20 amulet (have yet to find or trade for those as they cost a ton). My resists are all above the max in hell.
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    i tried it last night 8 player hell cs runs and it cuts the run time down quite a bit, did not have to stop once. it might be expencive but if you have the runes to do it is the best shield for quick and easy cs runs.
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    My Cowie-Javazon likes it. o_O


     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    Would Phoenix have saved you there? If it was 2-3 hits, don't think you had much of a chance anyway.


     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    Wasn't that the point? The only time I died was when I was ambushed by a huge amount of damage at a small period of time. I didn't have the time to drink a rejuv, let alone allow Redemption to refill life.

    In all other cases, I can survive perfectly well without Phoenix, and I'm not THAT lazy that I can't switch to another aura for 0,1 seconds to completely replenish my Mana reserve.

    The only time when I feel the real lack of mana is when I teleport. You can't use Phoenix to redeem mana while teleporting, since you have to stop and kill things for bodies. And if you've already stopped, why not flash normal Redemption skill after sending off a few hammers? Seems pretty intuitive to me.



     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    Maybe because some people has bad hotkey setups, which takes them like 5 seconds to flash redemption. (mine's right next to conc and right above teleport)
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    My right-click hotkeys are arranged in the asdfgert pattern:

    a = conc
    s = vigor
    d = teleport
    f = holy shield
    g = TP
    e = redemption
    r = (switch) BC
    t = (switch) BO

    Very easy to use, especially since I am an active FPS player.
     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    What's your hotkey's for hammer and charge on your left click?


     
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    Re: Phoenix for hammerdin

    I don't use Charge on my Hammerdin (I don't PvP), and Hammers are my default left-click skill.

    In fact, the only char that has variable skills on left click is my Smiter (e = zeal, r = smite, t = charge).

    Meteorb -> Fireball
    Javazon -> Charged Strike
    Bobarb -> Nothing
    (Failed) Kicksin -> Dragon Tail (tried to use Dragon Flight as well, too bulky)
     

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